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 jonolikespie wrote:
If Abbnett wrote one I'd probably give it a try but AoS just is doing nothing to entice me right now.

That is dumb, you criticise something you are not interested in, know little to zero bit. So, how can you tell AoS lore is "12 year old's attempt"? Actually, you can't.

Just stay away, and wait for slaanesh shadowhost aelf exile whatever it called.

Meowstalker wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
If Abbnett wrote one I'd probably give it a try but AoS just is doing nothing to entice me right now.

That is dumb, you criticise something you are not interested in, know little to zero bit. So, how can you tell AoS lore is "12 year old's attempt"? Actually, you can't.

Just stay away, and wait for slaanesh shadowhost aelf exile whatever it called.

Lets say a movie was about 19 old women who talk about eating soup while pooping. Would one have to watch the movie to think the whole idea was dumb and silly enough to not waste time watching?

Is it so hard to understand that the premise of this crap (forced happy cannibalism, learning what weapons are for, losing bits of oneself (oooh deep) and so on) is incredibly childish, lame, boring, dumb and so on to people?

You dont have to have an ultimate understanding to think a concept is pathetic. You just need to know what it's about and usually that is enough 99% of the time to know how rubbish something is.

 Swastakowey wrote:

Meowstalker wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
If Abbnett wrote one I'd probably give it a try but AoS just is doing nothing to entice me right now.

That is dumb, you criticise something you are not interested in, know little to zero bit. So, how can you tell AoS lore is "12 year old's attempt"? Actually, you can't.

Just stay away, and wait for slaanesh shadowhost aelf exile whatever it called.

Lets say a movie was about 19 old women who talk about eating soup while pooping. Would one have to watch the movie to think the whole idea was dumb and silly enough to not waste time watching?

Is it so hard to understand that the premise of this crap (forced happy cannibalism, learning what weapons are for, losing bits of oneself (oooh deep) and so on) is incredibly childish, lame, boring, dumb and so on to people?

You dont have to have an ultimate understanding to think a concept is pathetic. You just need to know what it's about and usually that is enough 99% of the time to know how rubbish something is.

Since you didn't read before reply, right? "losing bits of oneself (oooh deep)" isn't the point . Take a rest, and read all over again.

Meowstalker wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

Meowstalker wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
If Abbnett wrote one I'd probably give it a try but AoS just is doing nothing to entice me right now.

That is dumb, you criticise something you are not interested in, know little to zero bit. So, how can you tell AoS lore is "12 year old's attempt"? Actually, you can't.

Just stay away, and wait for slaanesh shadowhost aelf exile whatever it called.

Lets say a movie was about 19 old women who talk about eating soup while pooping. Would one have to watch the movie to think the whole idea was dumb and silly enough to not waste time watching?

Is it so hard to understand that the premise of this crap (forced happy cannibalism, learning what weapons are for, losing bits of oneself (oooh deep) and so on) is incredibly childish, lame, boring, dumb and so on to people?

You dont have to have an ultimate understanding to think a concept is pathetic. You just need to know what it's about and usually that is enough 99% of the time to know how rubbish something is.

Since you didn't read before reply, right? "losing bits of oneself (oooh deep)" isn't the point . Take a rest, and read all over again.

You are saying they are silly for criticising something they have not read... but there is no reason they cant criticise something based on what they know. But if one hears enough about something they can easily form an opinion without having to read the whole thing when they know how silly it is.

 Swastakowey wrote:

You are saying they are silly for criticising something they have not read... but there is no reason they cant criticise something based on what they know. But if one hears enough about something they can easily form an opinion without having to read the whole thing when they know how silly it is.

You guys don't read/hear enough definitely, few day before you guys still insist that Stormcast can't be killed(and not resurrect), until I put Goldenmane head on table.

Sure you can criticise something with enough info. However, you guys like twist the info into your flavor. For example the "cannibalism" thing, it is a raw ritual of Khorne; but it become "happy forced" one in your mouth, to proof your "12 year old thing", how creative.

You know, the most interesting part is:

>>Dude likes AoS, wants advice
>>Posts on warseer/dakka asking a question
>>F**KING ********S OUT OF NO WHERE "S**T GAME" "F**KING GW SHILL" "IDIOT FOR PLAYING"
>>Dude stops posting on forum
>>OMG NO NEW POSTS AOS IS DEAD

AoS ain't my spiritual liege, all I want is a place/forum let everyone discuss about the game, good or bad, but not the endless whinefest for every single thread, it hurt the community. You hurt the community.

Meowstalker wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

You are saying they are silly for criticising something they have not read... but there is no reason they cant criticise something based on what they know. But if one hears enough about something they can easily form an opinion without having to read the whole thing when they know how silly it is.

You guys don't read/hear enough definitely, few day before you guys still insist that Stormcast can't be killed(and not resurrect), until I put Goldenmane head on table.

Sure you can criticise something with enough info. However, you guys like twist the info into your flavor. For example the "cannibalism" thing, it is a raw ritual of Khorne; but it become "happy forced" one in your mouth, to proof your "12 year old thing", how creative.

You know, the most interesting part is:

>>Dude likes AoS, wants advice
>>Posts on warseer/dakka asking a question
>>F**KING ********S OUT OF NO WHERE "S**T GAME" "F**KING GW SHILL" "IDIOT FOR PLAYING"
>>Dude stops posting on forum
>>OMG NO NEW POSTS AOS IS DEAD

AoS ain't my spiritual liege, all I want is a place/forum let everyone discuss about the game, good or bad, but not the endless whinefest for every single thread, it hurt the community. You hurt the community.

Haha ok... Anyway... please explain why it being a ritual stops it being any more stupid? A raw ritual of Korn? If I told that to a normal person with a straight face to try get them interested in a book 99% of people would probably laugh then go find something else to read. Which is probably why few people bother to read these books anyway. Especially when they try sell them with lines like "In this book Sigmar learns weapons are for war" etc. Nobody will take stuff like that seriously. GW probably doesn't take it seriously (which is evident in the rules and fluff really).

Yea I hurt the community. Sure its not the terrible fluff, or the detrimental rules, or the over priced minis... no it's those people who laugh at such a silly game. Yea, they are the problem...

Anyway, complaining about complainers won't give you an echo chamber.

 jonolikespie wrote:
See, that just feels like a 12 year old's attempt at being dark to go along with the 12 year old's attempt at being deep with the sigmarines death thing.

Well the game is aimed at 12 year olds so that is not surprising.

 Swastakowey wrote:


Haha ok... Anyway... please explain why it being a ritual stops it being any more stupid? A raw ritual of Korn? If I told that to a normal person with a straight face to try get them interested in a book 99% of people would probably laugh then go find something else to read. Which is probably why few people bother to read these books anyway. Especially when they try sell them with lines like "In this book Sigmar learns weapons are for war" etc. Nobody will take stuff like that seriously. GW probably doesn't take it seriously (which is evident in the rules and fluff really).

Yea I hurt the community. Sure its not the terrible fluff, or the detrimental rules, or the over priced minis... no it's those people who laugh at such a silly game. Yea, they are the problem...

Anyway, complaining about complainers won't give you an echo chamber.

You twist my word into your flavor again, why should I focus the lore in only one ritual only, actually not really important? You skipped all the rest and even put "In this book Sigmar learns weapons are for war" strawman. It is ok as long as you know you do nothing but damage to the forum, I'm really feeling sorry about you.

Cheer for the internet.

Meowstalker wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:


Haha ok... Anyway... please explain why it being a ritual stops it being any more stupid? A raw ritual of Korn? If I told that to a normal person with a straight face to try get them interested in a book 99% of people would probably laugh then go find something else to read. Which is probably why few people bother to read these books anyway. Especially when they try sell them with lines like "In this book Sigmar learns weapons are for war" etc. Nobody will take stuff like that seriously. GW probably doesn't take it seriously (which is evident in the rules and fluff really).

Yea I hurt the community. Sure its not the terrible fluff, or the detrimental rules, or the over priced minis... no it's those people who laugh at such a silly game. Yea, they are the problem...

Anyway, complaining about complainers won't give you an echo chamber.

You twist my word into your flavor again, why should I focus the lore in only one ritual only, actually not really important? You skipped all the rest and even put "In this book Sigmar learns weapons are for war" strawman. It is ok as long as you know you do nothing but damage to the forum, I'm really feeling sorry about you.

Cheer for the internet.

Haha, im damaging the forum? Ok sure, yea im the problem AOS is failing. The problem only exists on the internet. Do you work for GW?

 Swastakowey wrote:
Yea I hurt the community. Sure its not the terrible fluff, or the detrimental rules, or the over priced minis...

Those come from your mouth, right? Actually, talking to you is waste of time, because you intent to damage the AoS forum, because you dislike AoS. That is how internet work.

Meowstalker wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Yea I hurt the community. Sure its not the terrible fluff, or the detrimental rules, or the over priced minis...

Those come from your mouth, right? Actually, talking to you is waste of time, because you intent to damage the AoS forum, because you dislike AoS. That is how internet work.

Yes exactly, but why should I not do so? I dislike AOS so I will say so. Its how it works in off the internet too...

Anyway this is off topic.

Its not damaging, it's simply adding another opinion to the mix. Well, not damaging to the forum anyway.

 Swastakowey wrote:


Yes exactly, but why should I not do so? I dislike AOS so I will say so. Its how it works in off the internet too...

Anyway this is off topic.

Its not damaging, it's simply adding another opinion to the mix. Well, not damaging to the forum anyway.

Everyone can express their opinion on internet, but not twist other comment into their flavor? Whining every(almost) thread about their opinion, turn the forum into 3 month of whinefest? it is f**king damage to the community.

New dude ask for advice in 4chan /tg/ AoS thread, and he said that, all warhammer forum he know is turning into nothing but whinefest, even 1 or 2 good guy reply something constructive, soon the thread flooded with naysayer like you, express their opinion with baseless assumption, this sound like f**king damage.

BTW, I'm really surprised that /tg/ become a better place to talk about AoS then the traditional forum.

Meowstalker wrote:
Everyone can express their opinion on internet, but not twist other comment into their flavor? Whining every(almost) thread about their opinion, turn the forum into 3 month of whinefest? it is f**king damage to the community.

And you know what, you're right, that is our right to do so if we want to.

We are giving opinions on the game.

If you think we are breaking rules, please use the report button, the mods are very good on this forum and will clean up anything that should not be here. But other than that your opinion that people criticizing AoS is bad is no more valid than the opinion that AoS is bad. If so many people are criticizing AoS that it is turning away new players and damaging real gaming communities then maybe you need to ask yourself why so many people dislike it.


I'd just like to point out though that you are accusing others of twisting comments in their favour, but it was you who posted:

>>Posts on warseer/dakka asking a question
>>F**KING ********S OUT OF NO WHERE "S**T GAME" "F**KING GW SHILL" "IDIOT FOR PLAYING"

No one is insulting you for liking the game. If you see that, report it.

 jonolikespie wrote:


If you think we are breaking rules, please use the report button, the mods are very good on this forum and will clean up anything that should not be here. But other than that your opinion that people criticizing AoS is bad is no more valid than the opinion that AoS is bad. If so many people are criticizing AoS that it is turning away new players and damaging real gaming communities then maybe you need to ask yourself why so many people dislike it.

Yea, that why traditional forum degenerate into nothing, every whiner stay behind the "rules", even they turn every thread in whinefest and twist everyone comment into their flavor and stay safe. That is damage to community and not constructive at all. And that why /tg/ become a better place, /tg/ have not much "rule" whiner like you guys can't hide, all the s***poster leave eventually.

I don't care why you guys dislike AoS, but leave the space/room/forum for the guy especially new dude is important.

*Describes AoS writing as immature/appealing to 12 year olds.
*Collects an army where the entire backstory is the mother of all self-entitled teenage strops,and the imagery for said force is spikes, hooks, and being 'evil'.

I find it very interesting that new faces keep coming to argue the pros about a "dying" game and it is the same faces who argue how "bad" they think AoS is. If things were so horrible shouldn't it be the other way around? A steadfast few believers pushing their opinions on everyone who dislikes the game... but that does not appear to be the case. The number of people who like AoS and are upset by the vocal minority keeps growing...

That would indicate more people keep trying the game, realizing it is pretty awesome so they come to the forums, only to be disappointed by this cesspool we have created online. The cesspool part sucks, but the fact new people keep joining in on the pro-AoS side of a tired back and forth is actually a pretty good sign

Just something to think about.

I tried KoW for the first time yesterday. I'll never dream about playing Age of Excrement again

quiestdeus wrote:
I find it very interesting that new faces keep coming to argue the pros about a "dying" game and it is the same faces who argue how "bad" they think AoS is. If things were so horrible shouldn't it be the other way around? A steadfast few believers pushing their opinions on everyone who dislikes the game... but that does not appear to be the case. The number of people who like AoS and are upset by the vocal minority keeps growing...

That would indicate more people keep trying the game, realizing it is pretty awesome so they come to the forums, only to be disappointed by this cesspool we have created online. The cesspool part sucks, but the fact new people keep joining in on the pro-AoS side of a tired back and forth is actually a pretty good sign

Just something to think about.

I want to drop in just to say that I stopped posting because I lost most of my interest in the game. I've got nothing more to say(write) about it. I must be a single case though...

quiestdeus wrote:
I find it very interesting that new faces keep coming to argue the pros about a "dying" game and it is the same faces who argue how "bad" they think AoS is. If things were so horrible shouldn't it be the other way around? A steadfast few believers pushing their opinions on everyone who dislikes the game... but that does not appear to be the case. The number of people who like AoS and are upset by the vocal minority keeps growing...

That would indicate more people keep trying the game, realizing it is pretty awesome so they come to the forums, only to be disappointed by this cesspool we have created online. The cesspool part sucks, but the fact new people keep joining in on the pro-AoS side of a tired back and forth is actually a pretty good sign

Just something to think about.

Or people have just lost interest in the game and the few who stick around to defend it are the vocal minority.


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Meowstalker wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:


If you think we are breaking rules, please use the report button, the mods are very good on this forum and will clean up anything that should not be here. But other than that your opinion that people criticizing AoS is bad is no more valid than the opinion that AoS is bad. If so many people are criticizing AoS that it is turning away new players and damaging real gaming communities then maybe you need to ask yourself why so many people dislike it.

Yea, that why traditional forum degenerate into nothing, every whiner stay behind the "rules", even they turn every thread in whinefest and twist everyone comment into their flavor and stay safe. That is damage to community and not constructive at all. And that why /tg/ become a better place, /tg/ have not much "rule" whiner like you guys can't hide, all the s***poster leave eventually.

I don't care why you guys dislike AoS, but leave the space/room/forum for the guy especially new dude is important.

This is a discussion forum. Things get discussed here. If you want an echo chamber for just pro-AoS opinions start a blog.

 Chumbalaya wrote:
I tried KoW for the first time yesterday. I'll never dream about playing Age of Excrement again

I know right? I feel like I'm being lectured by someone who thinks they're my mom.

I'll have the chicken
"Wow, your not even giving the liver a chance!"
I like chicken
"You can eat both, but you should eat way more liver"
Maybe another time. Would you like some of my chicken, you seem hungry?
OGM STUP TRYING TO CONVERT ME!

I don't hate AOS. I'm bored senseless by AOS. Can I play KOW with the grownups without hearing how I'm destroying the hobby with my negativity?



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 Swastakowey wrote:
Lets say a movie was about 19 old women who talk about eating soup while pooping. Would one have to watch the movie to think the whole idea was dumb and silly enough to not waste time watching?

You haven't even read my screenplay yet! Give it a chance!

Meowstalker wrote:

AoS ain't my spiritual liege, all I want is a place/forum let everyone discuss about the game, good or bad, but not the endless whinefest for every single thread, it hurt the community. You hurt the community.

Says he wants a place to discuss, good or bad, yet labels all criticism as Haterz and whiners.
Maybe the reason you hear so much negativity about the game is because people have a lot of things they find wrong with it? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Opinions on the game will differ. Some may not like the game for the very reasons that you do. That's ok. We're here to discuss that. Wanting to get rid off all opinions that are different than yours isn't helpful to anyone.
I like a lot of things that other people can't stand. I understand why they don't like it, (instead of dismissing those opinions and insulting the person) but it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of those things.
In other words, your going to have to develop a thicker skin. Especially if you're defending AOS.

 Boggy Man wrote:

 Chumbalaya wrote:
I tried KoW for the first time yesterday. I'll never dream about playing Age of Excrement again

I know right? I feel like I'm being lectured by someone who thinks they're my mom.

I'll have the chicken
"Wow, your not even giving the liver a chance!"
I like chicken
"You can eat both, but you should eat way more liver"
Maybe another time. Would you like some of my chicken, you seem hungry?
OGM STUP TRYING TO CONVERT ME!

I don't hate AOS. I'm bored senseless by AOS. Can I play KOW with the grownups without hearing how I'm destroying the hobby with my negativity?

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 Swastakowey wrote:
Lets say a movie was about 19 old women who talk about eating soup while pooping. Would one have to watch the movie to think the whole idea was dumb and silly enough to not waste time watching?

You haven't even read my screenplay yet! Give it a chance!

Playing KoW doesn't make anyone a negative person. Constantly repeating how much they hate another game they don't have any interest in playing does. I have yet to see AoS fans go to the KoW forum to crap on that game from their high horses. Probably because they have no interest in it and so naturally don't feel the need to constantly think about it and engage with it. But moderation policy here being what it is (trolling is fine as long as you don't insult anyone directly), please keep up the "Age of Excrement" trolling and gakposting that brings nothing to the forum, it's fully within your rights and I'm sure it makes you guys happier to think about AoS every day.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Boggy Man wrote:

 Chumbalaya wrote:
I tried KoW for the first time yesterday. I'll never dream about playing Age of Excrement again

I know right? I feel like I'm being lectured by someone who thinks they're my mom.

I'll have the chicken
"Wow, your not even giving the liver a chance!"
I like chicken
"You can eat both, but you should eat way more liver"
Maybe another time. Would you like some of my chicken, you seem hungry?
OGM STUP TRYING TO CONVERT ME!

I don't hate AOS. I'm bored senseless by AOS. Can I play KOW with the grownups without hearing how I'm destroying the hobby with my negativity?

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 Swastakowey wrote:
Lets say a movie was about 19 old women who talk about eating soup while pooping. Would one have to watch the movie to think the whole idea was dumb and silly enough to not waste time watching?

You haven't even read my screenplay yet! Give it a chance!

Playing KoW doesn't make anyone a negative person. Constantly repeating how much they hate another game they don't have any interest in playing does. I have yet to see AoS fans go to the KoW forum to crap on that game from their high horses. Probably because they have no interest in it and so naturally don't feel the need to constantly think about it and engage with it. But moderation policy here being what it is (trolling is fine as long as you don't insult anyone directly), please keep up the "Age of Excrement" trolling and gakposting that brings nothing to the forum, it's fully within your rights and I'm sure it makes you guys happier to think about AoS every day.

If you happen to find something to criticize about KOW and it's legitimate, then you will have people explain your misconceptions and explain why it is that way.

If you criticize AOS people go nuts and say one or a combination of: Change the rules until it works for you, dont play that loser, dont break the game, forge the narrative, balance it yourself etc.

AOS is low hanging fruit in the gaming world. It's like the live action Last Air bender movie of the movie world. So bad that it constantly gets low reviews and people constantly make fun of it. When something is terrible and it's easy to criticize it people will do it.

You are trying to take a moral stance because KOW doesnt get bashed often (it does, like ALL WARGAMES, but not often) but the only reason it's not bashed as often is simply because it is higher in the food chain. It's not easy to criticize it meaningfully, nor does it have many real flaws to point out. If KOW sucked as bad as AOS then you can bet it would be bashed as often.

 Mymearan wrote:
I have yet to see AoS fans go to the KoW forum to crap on that game from their high horses.

Read the title of this thread.

This discussion has been from the start EXACTLY the place for someone to criticize AoS in favour of KoW.

As for 'damaging the community', I can't help but think dismissing other posters opinions is more damaging, at least to dakka itself. I really enjoy dakka, I think it has great moderators and a solid community BECAUSE diverse opinions are allowed. I would never want that to change.

I'm all in on AoS.

Almost all of the WHFB podcasts I listen to have made the switch to AoS. Heelanhammer and Facehammers coverage of the first AoS event in Britian really sold me on the potential of the game.

Tried a few games of KoW and it didn't really grab me.

...so..anyone know what Dorian Gray chose?

(I'm going to laugh so hard if he posts that he gave up getting into fantasy because of this bickering)

Why not play both?

Several in our game group are doing just that.The models work for both games,in fact I play mainly Stormcast in AoS but have a Bretonnian force I mix in with them sometimes...then I picked up a Basilean army from the kickstarter to beef up the Bretonnians even further for use in both games.

Since KoS is basically movement tray battles all you need to do is place a fair amount of appropriate models on each try.You can even customize the trays like a diorama just making the proper type of base hole in the tray for model placement.

Both games are actually very different with KoW being more balanced for the competitive player and AoS being more for the casual/fluff type player.I prefer to have access to both

Hope im not too far off topic here.

It's people like you, Minijack, that give me hope for hobbyists.

Though it would be ideal to play what you enjoy most, this is the internet. Here we go from mature individuals who go about our lives and using our free time in pleasurable pursuits to bickering fanatics who believe if we argue loud and hard enough that our opinions will become the one truth that all must agree with.

This is basically what this topic has mutated into.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0

 TheCustomLime wrote:


This is a discussion forum. Things get discussed here. If you want an echo chamber for just pro-AoS opinions start a blog.

This is the point, it is discussion forum, not hub a whiner , you guys repeat the same word for 3 month, and now even trying to twist other word into your flavor(like 12 year old). Not much topic have been going well, because every thread are flooded with you guys. If you want unstoppable whinefest, start your own blog, leave dakka for new dude. You guys are nothing but whiner, deal tons of damage to the community.

Baron Klatz wrote:
...so..anyone know what Dorian Gray chose?

(I'm going to laugh so hard if he posts that he gave up getting into fantasy because of this bickering)

I was a bit curious myself. Then again, maybe he did answer and it just got lost in the mess of this thread.