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- Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
Atia wrote: - Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
Finally, there it is. Now everyone can stop this stupid "GW is canning Slaanesh cause of X, Y, or Z stupid reason" nonsense. Thank you
Atia wrote: - Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
Finally, there it is. Now everyone can stop this stupid "GW is canning Slaanesh cause of X, Y, or Z stupid reason" nonsense. Thank you
Nah, you'll still have non-Chaos players insisting that Slaanesh is still much too R-rated for GW, and that she/he/it's being retconned out of the game entirely because "they said so".
You've got to be kidding me? The Marine one at least had a purpose because the different Chapters have their own rules (and sometimes even entire Codices).
This is a complete joke.
I mean, can you imagine:
Spoiler:
GW Employee: Welcome to Games Workshop, how can I help you?
Shiny New Customer: Hey there! I'm looking to start Chaos as I'm tired of all the Strength D my Eldar has. I'm really not sure which type of Chaos force to get.
GWE: You are in luck my friend! The fine folks at the studio put together this fun little flow-chart.
SNC: Sweet. Let's take a look.
GWE: So what do you think?
SNC: Doesn't say much about Night Lords, but they sound pretty cool.
GWE: They are! They're all about terrifying their enemies before they destroy them. There's a heavy stealth element to them, and they strike swiftly with bikes and Rapters.
SNC: Wow. Pretty cool. So what sort of units do they get?
GWE: Well they get all the usual Chaos units, but they should really go heavy on Raptors, Bikes and Warptalons.
SNC: But... the Codex here says that all three of those take up the same slot. Don't they get to take Warptalons as Elites, or Raptors as troops or something?
GWE: Well no, they have one list to use.
SNC: So they get some special rules to bring the army to life, kinda like Raven Guard do.
GWE: Well... no. Not really. But it's a pretty cool theme.
SNC: Right... ok, well, what about... oh! Blood for the Blood God, hey? Khorne is a fun guy. How about the World Eaters?
GWE: Great army! Tons of Berzerkers.
SNC: And Berzerker Bikers and Terminators and Raptors?
GWE: No, it's, like the Night Lords, it's the same basic list. You can give units Marks though.
SNC: But they have special rules for their Khorne worship and stuff, right?
GWE: Really it's just the Berzerkers who represent the "World Eater" side of it.
SNC: Ah... ok, well, let's go blue then, hey? Thousand Sons look amazing. They must have tons of psykers and special rules for mastering the Warp right?
GWE: Not so much.
SNC: Oh...
GWE: Again, it's the same list they're working from.
SNC: So the Wolves get fancy storm powers, but the 1KSons just get... the same list as everyone?
GWE: Uhh... yeah.
SNC: Right. Well... hold on? I don't remember there being a Crimson Slaughter Legion?
GWE: They're not. They're a new warband. They have their own Codex supplement.
SNC: So you're saying that the Legions don't have their own rules when Chapters do, but some random Warband nobody's ever heard of warrants its own supplement book?
GWE: One of the Legions has its own book.
SNC: Which one?
GWE: Black Legion.
SNC: The Chaos Ultramarines have their own book, but the Night Lords are stuck with their most iconic units all in one slot?
GWE: You can take formations.
SNC: Where are those?
GWE: In the Crimson Slaughter book!
SNC: ...
GWE: ...
SNC: Yeah Imma go play a Loyalist Chapter. They get rules to make them unique... not just a paint job.
Atia wrote: - Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
Finally, there it is. Now everyone can stop this stupid "GW is canning Slaanesh cause of X, Y, or Z stupid reason" nonsense. Thank you
Nah, you'll still have non-Chaos players insisting that Slaanesh is still much too R-rated for GW, and that she/he/it's being retconned out of the game entirely because "they said so".
For me, it's not about Slaanesh being "R-rated", it's about him/her being pretty one-note in the current iteration. There is more to hedonism than extreme/bizarre sexual fetishes. Slaanesh should represent all 7 of the "Deadly Sins". Example: A Chaos Sorceror so obese he can't even walk on his own. Imagine a fat blob oozing out of his power armor. That is every bit as Slaaneshi as a Daemonette going into battle wearing two bandaids and a fig leaf.
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
Atia wrote: - Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
Finally, there it is. Now everyone can stop this stupid "GW is canning Slaanesh cause of X, Y, or Z stupid reason" nonsense. Thank you
Nah, you'll still have non-Chaos players insisting that Slaanesh is still much too R-rated for GW, and that she/he/it's being retconned out of the game entirely because "they said so".
For me, it's not about Slaanesh being "R-rated", it's about him/her being pretty one-note in the current iteration. There is more to hedonism than extreme/bizarre sexual fetishes. Slaanesh should represent all 7 of the "Deadly Sins". Example: A Chaos Sorceror so obese he can't even walk on his own. Imagine a fat blob oozing out of his power armor. That is every bit as Slaaneshi as a Daemonette going into battle wearing two bandaids and a fig leaf.
And if you read the background about Slaanesh's realm in the Daemon army book + codex, it goes into great lengths about the Six Circles of Seduction that lead to the Dark Prince's palace. (Avidity, Gluttony, Carnality, Paramountcy, Vainglory & Indolency)
People have simply shoehorned Slaanesh into the whole 'sex drugs & rock&roll' theme of their own accord.
GW has always made it abundantly clear that Slaanesh is about all forms of excess, selfish desire and sensory overload.
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Atia wrote: - Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
Finally, there it is. Now everyone can stop this stupid "GW is canning Slaanesh cause of X, Y, or Z stupid reason" nonsense. Thank you
Nah, you'll still have non-Chaos players insisting that Slaanesh is still much too R-rated for GW, and that she/he/it's being retconned out of the game entirely because "they said so".
For me, it's not about Slaanesh being "R-rated", it's about him/her being pretty one-note in the current iteration. There is more to hedonism than extreme/bizarre sexual fetishes. Slaanesh should represent all 7 of the "Deadly Sins". Example: A Chaos Sorceror so obese he can't even walk on his own. Imagine a fat blob oozing out of his power armor. That is every bit as Slaaneshi as a Daemonette going into battle wearing two bandaids and a fig leaf.
And if you read the background about Slaanesh's realm in the Daemon army book + codex, it goes into great lengths about the Six Circles of Seduction that lead to the Dark Prince's palace. (Avidity, Gluttony, Carnality, Paramountcy, Vainglory & Indolency)
Exactly. There is so much more that GW could do with Slaanesh if they wanted to be creative. Same goes for Dark Elf models. Imagine a Dark Elf SHV powered by the tortured screams of a slave strapped to the front. Think Penitent Engine with no skin on the pilot.
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
People really need to stop this Tzeentchkin/Nurglekin/Slaaneshkin silliness... How many times do the likes of Sad Panda/Atia have to come out and re-iterate that the Khornekin book was nothing more than a rushed-in-a-weekend job that was slapped together, purely to sell the new Bloodthirster in 40k?
There is no Tzeentchkin book coming.
Sad Panda has said multiple times that *IF* GW put out anymore cross-system material, then it'll be a helluva lot more well planed & thought out than the gakfest that Khornekin was.
Why? I respect Sad Panda & Atia as much as the next news following obsessive but the GW who put out Khornekin in a weekend have not changed. Greater Daemons are major models for them. The idea they wont try to inspire sales with a codex makes little sense given recent history. A LoC will be an event, it wont be sold as a niche model for Chaos Daemon players who dont have one yet.
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Exactly. There is so much more that GW could do with Slaanesh if they wanted to be creative. Same goes for Dark Elf models. Imagine a Dark Elf SHV powered by the tortured screams of a slave strapped to the front. Think Penitent Engine with no skin on the pilot.
So, a older Talos?
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
People really need to stop this Tzeentchkin/Nurglekin/Slaaneshkin silliness... How many times do the likes of Sad Panda/Atia have to come out and re-iterate that the Khornekin book was nothing more than a rushed-in-a-weekend job that was slapped together, purely to sell the new Bloodthirster in 40k?
There is no Tzeentchkin book coming.
Sad Panda has said multiple times that *IF* GW put out anymore cross-system material, then it'll be a helluva lot more well planed & thought out than the gakfest that Khornekin was.
Why? I respect Sad Panda & Atia as much as the next news following obsessive but the GW who put out Khornekin in a weekend have not changed. Greater Daemons are major models for them. The idea they wont try to inspire sales with a codex makes little sense given recent history. A LoC will be an event, it wont be sold as a niche model for Chaos Daemon players who dont have one yet.
Daemons & allies already exist. The box and WD feature issue will also come with any relevant new dataslates for updated rules.
Besides, if you read the background in the actual Khornekin codex, you'd know that the Daemonkin are unique to Khorne. There are no daemonkin cults for the other gods - the Khorne cults are basically a bunch of mortals who commit ritual suicide through bloody battle in order that theirs and their enemies deaths bring forth Khorne's daemons as a form of ultimate worship.
Everything about their own organisation is based entirely on mimicking Khorne's daemonic legions, and bringing them into the material realm.
People really need to drop this idea that Chaos is getting 4 daemonkin books as it's nothing except a hopeful wish at this point.
or to put another way, there's actually a better chance that GW finally releases a decent CSM codex, rather than anymore daemonkin books!
Nvs wrote: People keep hyping it because they're desperate for anything related to CSM.
CSM getting Jesus Robes for 10.95 with no special rules & funny hats would still make them 100% better than they currently are. Sadly.... So, yeah, hype it up!!!
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I really wish Chaos' rules would reflect the background, seeing as it's the "biggest threat" to the Imperium. While it's nice the revised books, Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter, are cheaper now, they don't really do anything to make the army more competitive. Oh well, maybe next year we'll get a proper codex.
Nocturnus wrote: I really wish Chaos' rules would reflect the background, seeing as it's the "biggest threat" to the Imperium. While it's nice the revised books, Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter, are cheaper now, they don't really do anything to make the army more competitive. Oh well, maybe next year we'll get a proper codex.
You are. Chaos Deamons is top tier codex that wrecks gak.
Nocturnus wrote: I really wish Chaos' rules would reflect the background, seeing as it's the "biggest threat" to the Imperium. While it's nice the revised books, Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter, are cheaper now, they don't really do anything to make the army more competitive. Oh well, maybe next year we'll get a proper codex.
You are. Chaos Deamons is top tier codex that wrecks gak.
Pretty sure he was referring to CSM. CSM does not equate to Chaos Daemons and don't even bother trying to say CSM can just ally with Daemons, that's like saying Sisters of Battle are hyper competitive because they're battle brothers with marines and therefore are OP because they have access to grav centurions.
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EnTyme wrote: Exactly. There is so much more that GW could do with Slaanesh if they wanted to be creative. Same goes for Dark Elf models. Imagine a Dark Elf SHV powered by the tortured screams of a slave strapped to the front. Think Penitent Engine with no skin on the pilot.
They could but I think they have ran into bit of a stumbling block with the line to take with Slaanesh. Which is why I think they leave it for a limbo until they figure it out. Helps also with pacing releases better when you have one substantial part of line with no need whatsoever for new models for a while.
Convenient method of getting timeout needed to re-imagine the line and how to proceed with it.
But return could be still quite far away(so far it's been mostly Khorne...Next Tzeentch and probably Nurgle before Slaanesh as well) which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see Slaanesh dissapear in present-40k time as well. Too many hints pointing toward it for me to ignore. While not quaranteed chance of that is still bigger than 0% IMO.
EnTyme wrote: Exactly. There is so much more that GW could do with Slaanesh if they wanted to be creative. Same goes for Dark Elf models. Imagine a Dark Elf SHV powered by the tortured screams of a slave strapped to the front. Think Penitent Engine with no skin on the pilot.
They could but I think they have ran into bit of a stumbling block with the line to take with Slaanesh. Which is why I think they leave it for a limbo until they figure it out. Helps also with pacing releases better when you have one substantial part of line with no need whatsoever for new models for a while.
Convenient method of getting timeout needed to re-imagine the line and how to proceed with it.
But return could be still quite far away(so far it's been mostly Khorne...Next Tzeentch and probably Nurgle before Slaanesh as well) which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see Slaanesh dissapear in present-40k time as well. Too many hints pointing toward it for me to ignore. While not quaranteed chance of that is still bigger than 0% IMO.
Except all the reliable rumor peoples said that there is no chance at all. There are no hints at all pointing to
Bi'ios wrote: Except all the reliable rumor peoples said that there is no chance at all. There are no hints at all pointing to
Yeah sure no mention of Eldar and Laughing god with his plans of getting rid of Slaanesh. No hints pointing at all noooooo.
Just because somebody hasn't mentioned something doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. For one they aren't infallible. For second they don't know _everything_. Does Hastings even claim to know everything that comes in say 2 years from now? Sad panda? Atia? That's a long time to know precisely what is coming. Funny there's still releases they haven't mentioned popping up...
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Nocturnus wrote: I really wish Chaos' rules would reflect the background, seeing as it's the "biggest threat" to the Imperium. While it's nice the revised books, Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter, are cheaper now, they don't really do anything to make the army more competitive. Oh well, maybe next year we'll get a proper codex.
You are. Chaos Deamons is top tier codex that wrecks gak.
Seeing that this thread is about CSM....
Daemons aren't top tier, they're middle of the pack at best.
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Read the first post on this page, and then please stop this argument. You've been proven wrong, not only by one of THE most reliable rumour mongers around, but by the fluff itself, which you claim only goes one way? Ynnead and the Eldar is conclusive proof GW are getting rid of Slaanesh in your eyes, yet you ignore the AoS fluff that is clearly building up to a major story moment which is contrary to your argument.
And as for SP, Hastings and Atia not reporting absolutely every single little thing that GW release, maybe it's because it's something we don't want to hear as much? Look at the boxed games, WH Quest, Calth and Assassinorum for example, they're clearly a massive point of interest, while a relatively different boxed game that is a rehash of White Dwarf rules with no new models isn't something that generates as much interest.
It was Hastings that first reported the new Knights box btw, but by all means disregard the reliable sources and believe BoLS and SpikeyBitz. One last point, vaccines cause autism and the government poisons our water to control us, because I read it online.
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Nocturnus wrote: I really wish Chaos' rules would reflect the background, seeing as it's the "biggest threat" to the Imperium. While it's nice the revised books, Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter, are cheaper now, they don't really do anything to make the army more competitive. Oh well, maybe next year we'll get a proper codex.
You are. Chaos Deamons is top tier codex that wrecks gak.
Seeing that this thread is about CSM....
Daemons aren't top tier, they're middle of the pack at best.
Nah, gotta agree that Daemons are top tier, though definitely like Necrons, they're the low end of the top tier. Our tricks are too predictable now, and the realm gems of Eldar/Marines/Tau have enough toys to readily deal with them.
Outside of running a top end filth list though? Daemons drop off pretty quickly, especially if you don't go summoning happy.
As for our "new" supplements. The Black Legion one looks fun, but it's not even a Band-Aid at this point. We're just too horribly out of touch with the game at the basic design level.
It's still amusing however that GW managed to give us a highly inferior version of the Libby Conclave for example...
So the dudes who opened their minds to the full potential & endless power of Chaos get a shiny new WC3 spell that one of them can cast! Meanwhile, the dudes who are still rigidly bound to always holding back on their full potential for fear of corruption, have much easier access to harnessing the very thing they fear!
Oh well, I guess we're supposed to be overjoyed that we no longer have to pay an additional +6pts/model for WS5/BS5 Termies anymore.
Breaking News: GW has finally started reading Dakka threads. The use of the term "top tier" in conjunction woth a CSM thread has flagged the CSM codex as being overpowered.
After rigorous playtesting, the GW design team have decided that the following changes are necessary to attain Balance and maintain the NARRATIVE in 40k:
-All CSM aligned psykers may only take god powers.
-CSM formations are being withdrawn indefinitely.
-Legion Traits were considered, but are too hard to balance.
-The Heldrake is now 200 points base. The Baleflamer is a 50 point upgrade.
-The Chaos Land Raider may no longer transport Abaddon, as he is too big.
-All CSM deepstrike actions scatter D6D6.
-Daemon Princes are noe Lords of War, as is Abaddon
-Chaos Marines may no longer use Rhinos, as they are too hard to maintain.
-Obliterators cannot be taken more than once per detachment, as they are both too rare and too powerful.
-CSM is CtA with all other codicies
-Abaddon may no longer make more that one attack in assault per turn. Reasons are obvious.
Virules wrote: Warzone Fenris Part II is soon, let's see what that brings. Maybe some CSM stuff if we're lucky.
Or unlucky depending on what that "stuff" turns out to be.
I'm waiting to see what rules the Chaos Knight gets in the rumored datasheet. If they add in extra crap to ensure it's strictly inferior to the Imperial one I think we may finally have enough data points to reject the null hypothesis that Chaos' crappy rules are an accident.
All of this complaining, this is the kind of stuff that is bad for the community as a whole. Everyone keep in mind these are supplements, NOT the codex! I would expect that we will see a chaos codex if not before the end of the year then probably early next year. And they have been doing a lot of things in phases. i used to be really down about GW to but I have to say this new President and general attitude is a step inthe right direction. I mean either way our CSM armies are more playable then they where before now.
YES other armies are still better but we will need a codex fix to solve that problem. For the love of god stop all the complaining, some of those formations are decent, And some crazy combos! The grass is ALWAYS going to be greener on the other side! Their are a lot of other armies in the game that have fallen behind the "top tier" armies. I mean we can't all be taudar.... but if we could all point and shoot the game would be super boring! Just stop the complaining! and either enjoy playing your army or for the love of god play another one, or another game. but I can promise you that you will find that any game you go to some armies are better then others. i get chaos is not in a good place and hasn't been for quite a while, but you DO have options! Just stop bitching!
Go out and play some of theses formations, I mean actually play them! i have played three experimental games with the rules printed out to just test them, and what you can do is actually decent. YES there are still some shortcomings, lack of mobility being one, But take the Cyclopia Cabal on bikes, yes expensive, but I have made them make up their points in ONE round of forcing a friends Stormserge's open up on his army. Combine that with Bikes and Flesh hounds from the KDK book and that is a very fast army that can scout, get melta and contend Psycic dice with any army in the game. are their better? yes! but again the grass is always greener on the other side! A solid Chaos codex or hell even CSM in one of the( i believe) two more War zone Fenris books and the whole conversation is turned on it 's head! BE patent, things ARE changing at GW! Give them time to fix the years of bad leadership from their former brass! And for god sake quit complaining about everything! Hell i even saw complaints about the "choose your traitor legion chart! what ELSE can you possibly complain about! it was put out for fun as mucha s the Space marine one was! So either play the game we all love or don't, but as far as i am concerned if all you want to do is complain, find another hobby! Because its cancer for this one and I want to enjoy mine.
Dyslexican32 wrote: All of this complaining, this is the kind of stuff that is bad for the community as a whole. Everyone keep in mind these are supplements, NOT the codex! I would expect that we will see a chaos codex if not before the end of the year then probably early next year. And they have been doing a lot of things in phases. i used to be really down about GW to but I have to say this new President and general attitude is a step inthe right direction. I mean either way our CSM armies are more playable then they where before now.
YES other armies are still better but we will need a codex fix to solve that problem. For the love of god stop all the complaining, some of those formations are decent, And some crazy combos! The grass is ALWAYS going to be greener on the other side! Their are a lot of other armies in the game that have fallen behind the "top tier" armies. I mean we can't all be taudar.... but if we could all point and shoot the game would be super boring! Just stop the complaining! and either enjoy playing your army or for the love of god play another one, or another game. but I can promise you that you will find that any game you go to some armies are better then others. i get chaos is not in a good place and hasn't been for quite a while, but you DO have options! Just stop bitching!
Go out and play some of theses formations, I mean actually play them! i have played three experimental games with the rules printed out to just test them, and what you can do is actually decent. YES there are still some shortcomings, lack of mobility being one, But take the Cyclopia Cabal on bikes, yes expensive, but I have made them make up their points in ONE round of forcing a friends Stormserge's open up on his army. Combine that with Bikes and Flesh hounds from the KDK book and that is a very fast army that can scout, get melta and contend Psycic dice with any army in the game. are their better? yes! but again the grass is always greener on the other side! A solid Chaos codex or hell even CSM in one of the( i believe) two more War zone Fenris books and the whole conversation is turned on it 's head! BE patent, things ARE changing at GW! Give them time to fix the years of bad leadership from their former brass! And for god sake quit complaining about everything! Hell i even saw complaints about the "choose your traitor legion chart! what ELSE can you possibly complain about! it was put out for fun as mucha s the Space marine one was! So either play the game we all love or don't, but as far as i am concerned if all you want to do is complain, find another hobby! Because its cancer for this one and I want to enjoy mine.
*Steps off soap box!*
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
All of this complaining, this is the kind of stuff that is bad for the community as a whole. Everyone keep in mind these are supplements, NOT the codex! I would expect that we will see a chaos codex if not before the end of the year then probably early next year. And they have been doing a lot of things in phases. i used to be really down about GW to but I have to say this new President and general attitude is a step inthe right direction. I mean either way our CSM armies are more playable then they where before now.
YES other armies are still better but we will need a codex fix to solve that problem. For the love of god stop all the complaining, some of those formations are decent, And some crazy combos! The grass is ALWAYS going to be greener on the other side! Their are a lot of other armies in the game that have fallen behind the "top tier" armies. I mean we can't all be taudar.... but if we could all point and shoot the game would be super boring! Just stop the complaining! and either enjoy playing your army or for the love of god play another one, or another game. but I can promise you that you will find that any game you go to some armies are better then others. i get chaos is not in a good place and hasn't been for quite a while, but you DO have options! Just stop bitching!
Go out and play some of theses formations, I mean actually play them! i have played three experimental games with the rules printed out to just test them, and what you can do is actually decent. YES there are still some shortcomings, lack of mobility being one, But take the Cyclopia Cabal on bikes, yes expensive, but I have made them make up their points in ONE round of forcing a friends Stormserge's open up on his army. Combine that with Bikes and Flesh hounds from the KDK book and that is a very fast army that can scout, get melta and contend Psycic dice with any army in the game. are their better? yes! but again the grass is always greener on the other side! A solid Chaos codex or hell even CSM in one of the( i believe) two more War zone Fenris books and the whole conversation is turned on it 's head! BE patent, things ARE changing at GW! Give them time to fix the years of bad leadership from their former brass! And for god sake quit complaining about everything! Hell i even saw complaints about the "choose your traitor legion chart! what ELSE can you possibly complain about! it was put out for fun as mucha s the Space marine one was! So either play the game we all love or don't, but as far as i am concerned if all you want to do is complain, find another hobby! Because its cancer for this one and I want to enjoy mine.
*Steps off soap box!*
There is no new Chaos codex until middle of next year, according to the most reliable rumor sources.
Besides, I really think this whole, "shut-up, enjoy what little you do have/L2P" typically comes from those who only jumped into Chaos *after* the great gutting of the entire faction...
When all you've known is crap, it's a lot easier to stay positive that eventually, the future will be brighter.
However, if you were around for the 3.5ed codex, despite its balance issues and a few stand-outs that made no sense, (ie: why no Khornate Havocs loaded with flamers/meltas?), it's only natural to be a jaded, hate-filled, embittered veteran.
People forget, or never even knew about how we actually had literally everything that Loyalists marines now have.
And then, because of both constant complaining from the Loyalist fan base, and JJ deciding that Legion rules and the Books of Chaos were too much for his 6 year old son to handle, it was all stripped away.
Yet then, less than a year later, Loyalists get handed those very same exact rules that were so callously stripped from us. And then to top it all off, they get a bunch of carbon copy wargear/options that we had, yet lost, because they were deemed to be too OP/game-breaking.
And the only thing we've had ever since, has been to endure both the constant middle finger from GW, to Loyalist players always whining the second we do get anything remotely capable of going toe-to-toe with their toys. (case in point, Hellturkies still make you TFG/WaaC's, Daemon Summoning ruined 40k, Oblits & Plaguemarines are OP, spell Familiars & Lv3 Sorcs are Librarians +10, etc...)
It's been 10+ years of neglect and hypocrisy from the largest faction in 40k. We're sick of it. And just saying, "shut-up/L2P, no more complaining, be positive instead & enjoy your polished turd with sprinkles" is even more grating on the nerves of long time Chaos fans.
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