Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Medicinal Carrots wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
GW is a very large company that charges high prices for high quality product (the indices notwithstanding). THEY NEED MORE EDITORS!! What *does* a Dunecrawler do when it has 6 wounds remaining? How can a Meka-Dread take Rokkit Bomms? Why can't a Malanthrope fly? I just don't see any excuse for this gak. If they really, really need to, heck, raise the prices a couple more dollars; they're already high. But these stupid errors are just inexcusable. Are they a huge deal? Of course not. But as a customer who spends a lot of money on their products, the fact that they don't care about the easy-to-fix stuff doesn't give me much confidence that they care about fixing the hard-to-fix stuff.

Anyway, I know that's a tangent.

Very well said.

And though yes, it may be a tangent, it can be enough to make people question themselves as to why they are paying premium price for something that comes with so many flaws straight out of the print. Additionally, as I've said earlier in this post, it also shows a lot about how the standards are slowly being lowered that this seems to not only be acceptable, but expected. And I'm not saying this from the 40k crowd or the GW crowd or the wargaming crowd. I'm saying in general.

Think about it, what does it say of us if we say that day one FAQs/patches are expected or even intended as I've read elsewhere on the web. We already expect premium-priced products to come flawed. This speaks loads.

Again you're basically saying that if it's not perfect it's gak. Yeah the typos and inconsistencies are disappointing, but ANY game system is going to be flawed at initial release. A day 1 FAQ is a GOOD thing because it would mean fixing the flaws ASAP instead of letting them sit. Feel free to criticize the number of flaws, but the fact that there are flaws at all doesn't "speak loads", nor would fixing those flaws sooner rather than later.

Highlighting is mine,

No I'm not, stop twisting my words to fit your purpose. As I have said in the post you quoted but clearly didn't read through to understand, I have no issue with a product coming with a couple of typos but a product with so many flaws straight out of the print is not acceptable for a premium-price.

And yes, it does speak loads that you're willing to sit down and defend a semi-finished product - it speaks of either blind loyalty or a gakky standard. Pick your poison and enjoy your GW4evah-goggles.

I am happy that GW is willing to correct any cock-ups they make. It's just a shame that they made them to begin with and had to put up the whole "massive playtesting was made" front when in 8th ed. day 1 it may be proven otherwise

3- You are indeed defending something the moment you say that "this is to be expected". No, it's not. Don't lower your standards and stop expecting half finished things with Day 1patches/faqs to attempt to cover up the crap they didn't bother to follow through when they were meant. This is a symptom of design and playtesting lazyness, and worse, absurdly low standards when it comes to a product's quality.

Let's see if we get this straight. I'm not against the fact that the Day 1 FAQ exists. I never was.

What I'm saying it shouldn't have happened to bloody begin with. And ESPECIALLY not after GW touted since the very beginning that this edition had been extensively playtested.