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**Red__Thirst**

I prefer my Primaris Intercessor sergeant conversion, taking the Dark Imperium Intercessor sergeant and replacing the free/empty hand with a BA sergeant's chainsword from the Blood Angels tactical squad box. I'll have to get a picture of it later.

Overall I feel like our Lieutenant is the better of the two of them (DA/BA) visually and pose wise. I am admittedly biased though, obviously.

I'll be picking up the BA dice, I can always use more dice.

Datacards too, and the Codex. Looking forward to rumors soon, fingers crossed!

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

**Kanluwen**

Games Workshop Community wrote:
Codex: Blood Angels brings the scions of Baal into the new era of Warhammer 40,000 in full. This is one of the most exciting codexes in the post-Gathering Storm galaxy, featuring a wealth of new lore and a huge volume of new units, too. Inside, you’ll find how the Blood Angels are recovering – and even thriving – after their world was almost annihilated by Hive Fleet Leviathan, and how the latest wave of Primaris reinforcements are being accepted by the rest of the Chapter.

As for new rules, there’s all the awesome stuff you know and love from the rest of this edition’s codexes – Stratagems, Warlord Traits, Psychic Powers and more – as well as some special extras. You’ll now be able to clad the Archangels – the legendary, Terminator-armoured first company of the Blood Angels – in Cataphractii and Tartaros armour, diversifying the range of tactical options available to you. If you prefer aerial warfare, this codex sees the Blood Angels gain access to the popular Stormhawk Interceptor and well as the Stormtalon Gunship.

The new codex will also see the Blood Angels able to add a range of Primaris units to their army. To help, there’s a series of kits on the way, each featuring a unique Blood Angels upgrade frame containing weapons, shoulder pads and heads designed to make your squads fit with the rest of your Blood Angels collection. This frame will be available separately, too!

Spoiler:

The Lieutenant has a second head and hand option along with a holstered gun to go with it.
Can't tell whether or not the Aggressors are the normal kit or Easy to Build. I'm guessing normal but who knows?

**Prometheum5**

Kanluwen wrote:

Can't tell whether or not the Aggressors are the normal kit or Easy to Build. I'm guessing normal but who knows?

The EZ Build Aggressors wouldn't be able to make use of the BA Upgrade Sprue, which is the only reason for there to be a BA Aggressors box. It must be the normal kit.

**Galas**

This will create a little problem for FLGS, I believe, if they make a Chapter X version of every primaris kit. But I'm not gonna complaint, if they put a sprue with Dark Angels symbols for 1/10 of his cost compared to buying it alone, in every Primaris Box, is all good for me.

**casvalremdeikun**

I find it interesting that we aren't getting a BA Inceptor kit. Surely the upgrade sprue would be compatible with the Inceptor kit.

Right now, I intend to pick up a box of BA Intercessors, a regular box of Intercessors, and a box of Aggressors. Should make for a good start to adding Primaris to my BA.

**Kelly502**

Can’t wait!!! Giddy like a 5 year old waiting for his ice cream! Saw some of the Primaris figures and they looked sharp!!

**Tiberius501**

Anyone got pics of the dice?

**Elbows**

I'm shocked they bother releasing an entirely new box of each Primaris with a simple BA sprue in it...just sell the damn sprue separately. That's a logistically dumb decision.

**Galas**

Elbows wrote:
I'm shocked they bother releasing an entirely new box of each Primaris with a simple BA sprue in it...just sell the damn sprue separately. That's a logistically dumb decision.

The sprues GW does normally cost 12€. When they put it on a box, the difference in price with the normal box isn't bigger than 2€. Personally I prefer that. I can understand it will be a pain in the ass to stockist. Maybe they'll do it "Direct Only"? I hope not.

**MajorWesJanson**

Elbows wrote:
I'm shocked they bother releasing an entirely new box of each Primaris with a simple BA sprue in it...just sell the damn sprue separately. That's a logistically dumb decision.

It lets them push bigger ticket items up front, while I expect them to drop the BA specific boxes when stock runs out and put the sprue out separately, possibly as direct only, at a later point. It's not really different from when Space Wolves got their sky claws or long fangs boxes. Or the Deathwatch bikers and terminators

**Kanluwen**

Elbows wrote:
I'm shocked they bother releasing an entirely new box of each Primaris with a simple BA sprue in it...just sell the damn sprue separately. That's a logistically dumb decision.

The new codex will also see the Blood Angels able to add a range of Primaris units to their army. To help, there’s a series of kits on the way, each featuring a unique Blood Angels upgrade frame containing weapons, shoulder pads and heads designed to make your squads fit with the rest of your Blood Angels collection. This frame will be available separately, too!

Try reading before complaining.

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MajorWesJanson wrote:
Elbows wrote:
I'm shocked they bother releasing an entirely new box of each Primaris with a simple BA sprue in it...just sell the damn sprue separately. That's a logistically dumb decision.

It lets them push bigger ticket items up front, while I expect them to drop the BA specific boxes when stock runs out and put the sprue out separately, possibly as direct only, at a later point. It's not really different from when Space Wolves got their sky claws or long fangs boxes. Or the Deathwatch bikers and terminators

It also lets them have an actual kit(probably discounted) rather than just telling people "Buy the $15 upgrade frame" for the time being.

Likely, it will be a limited stock item. Big push up front and then maybe 1 or 2 kept as regular stock.

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Galas wrote:
This will create a little problem for FLGS, I believe, if they make a Chapter X version of every primaris kit. But I'm not gonna complaint, if they put a sprue with Dark Angels symbols for 1/10 of his cost compared to buying it alone, in every Primaris Box, is all good for me.

Putting it rather bluntly, it's not that big of a problem unless the FLGS is bad at stock management.

It will likely be more of an issue for GW shops though. I don't expect to see the Reivers or Inceptors or any of the vehicles get put into the Primaris set-up, so that's just 3 kits that get added into the mix for each Marine subfaction that can take them(Deathwatch, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels). It's rather telling that they didn't even bother do an Ultramarines Primaris boxed set, despite having frames to do so.

**Voss**

Wait, when did the entire first company get terminator armor?

Not that I'm complaining about BA finally getting rules to use Tarts and Carts, but I apparently missed a retcon somewhere.

**AegisGrimm**

Should be always. It was the Blood Angels 1st company that went onto the Hulk in 3rd edition Space Hulk, I believe, rather than just standard Brothers in TDA armor.

Back in the day I was going to use the two squads and Librarian from the game and a couple other squads, Landraider and a Dread to be played as "Deathwing".

**Bremon**

I was under the impression only the first company was allowed to use TDA, but only the dark angels had enough of it for their entire first company to use it simultaneously.

**casvalremdeikun**

Bremon wrote:
I was under the impression only the first company was allowed to use TDA, but only the dark angels had enough of it for their entire first company to use it simultaneously.

BA are probably one of the Chapters that is delivered new stuff a lot sooner than the other Chapters.

I just realized that the BA Intercessor and Hellblasters kits will have two of the Upgrade frame. That will help with me buying Inceptors for my BA.

**Voss**

AegisGrimm wrote:
Should be always. It was the Blood Angels 1st company that went onto the Hulk in 3rd edition Space Hulk, I believe, rather than just standard Brothers in TDA armor.

Yeah, and got wrecked, losing most of the first company and the suits. And that was back a thousand+ years.
As Bremon says, Dark Angels and their full company have been cast as one of the very, very few exceptions, most chapters have some amount, but rarely more than 30-50, if that.

casvalremdeikun wrote:BA are probably one of the Chapters that is delivered new stuff a lot sooner than the other Chapters.

Well, getting 'new stuff' is also a weird retcon.Terminator armour was often presented as relics that were painstakingly maintained and repaired, rather than just getting new shipments in with the yearly tithe of bullets.

**Bremon**

Getting new stuff in 40k is synonymous with getting worse stuff for the most part; all the best stuff is ancient.

**casvalremdeikun**

The fluff has evolved a bit over the years. Basically, it isn't forgotten tech and can't be replaced, it is just incredibly difficult to recreate. So, Chapters like Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves tend to be the Chapters that receive replacement pieces easier.

**pantheralegionnaire**

It seems quite a few people on here are using the Primaris marine reinforcements, and that makes sense--the models are awesome, fun to paint, and units like helblasters are dead scary. This also fits into the narrative that GW is building, with the Blood Angels welcoming these new marines as a way of combating the Flaw.

This makes me wonder about what our "Chapter Tactic" might be, as I would sincerely hope that, whatever it is, it would extend to, and be useful to, Primaris marines. Right now all we have is the Black Rage special rules, which obviously have limited application.

**casvalremdeikun**

Rumor has it that the Tactics are +1 to Charge and Advance distances, which is absolute garbage.

**rollawaythestone**

Why is that garbage? On my Tyranids, I pay the points for Adrenal Glands (+1 Charge, +1 Advance) on every single model that can take them. I guarantee that the Blood Angels will get some nice Advance + Charge, or Deepstrike + Charge shenanigans that will synergize nicely with that ability.

**casvalremdeikun**

rollawaythestone wrote:
Why is that garbage? On my Tyranids, I pay the points for Adrenal Glands (+1 Charge, +1 Advance) on every single model that can take them. I guarantee that the Blood Angels will get some nice Advance + Charge, or Deepstrike + Charge shenanigans that will synergize nicely with that ability.

Because rerolling failed charges would be better. Someone did the math further up the thread.

**Kirasu**

rollawaythestone wrote:
Why is that garbage? On my Tyranids, I pay the points for Adrenal Glands (+1 Charge, +1 Advance) on every single model that can take them. I guarantee that the Blood Angels will get some nice Advance + Charge, or Deepstrike + Charge shenanigans that will synergize nicely with that ability.

Should probably just stop after "On my Tyranids". Marines have always done best as a medium range shooting army due to stuff like assault cannons, multi-meltas and rapid fire weapons. Close combat blood angels hasn't been effective since 4th edition when you had No Retreat! Rending on to-hit and Dante providing re-rolls to said rending. There is absolutely 0 need for more charge distance when the best CC unit we get is mostly garbage. Why do I want to assault and get a few token S4-5 attacks when I can shoot with much more effective weapons starting on turn 1.

Ontop of that other armies after Marines get "tactics" that affect their entire army not just Infantry, Bikes and Dreadnoughts. The biggest weakness of Codex: BA. DA and SW is being tethered to the anemic SM book.

**rollawaythestone**

In a vacuum, yes, but coupled with strategems that allow Advancing + Charging, or being able to re-roll Charges with a Strategem anyway....? I think it's still pretty good.

Kirasu wrote:
rollawaythestone wrote:
Why is that garbage? On my Tyranids, I pay the points for Adrenal Glands (+1 Charge, +1 Advance) on every single model that can take them. I guarantee that the Blood Angels will get some nice Advance + Charge, or Deepstrike + Charge shenanigans that will synergize nicely with that ability.

Should probably just stop after "On my Tyranids". Marines have always done best as a medium range shooting army due to stuff like assault cannons, multi-meltas and rapid fire weapons. Close combat blood angels hasn't been effective since 4th edition when you had No Retreat! Rending on to-hit and Dante providing re-rolls to said rending. There is absolutely 0 need for more charge distance when the best CC unit we get is mostly garbage. Why do I want to assault and get a few token S4-5 attacks when I can shoot with much more effective weapons starting on turn 1.

Ontop of that other armies after Marines get "tactics" that affect their entire army not just Infantry, Bikes and Dreadnoughts. The biggest weakness of Codex: BA. DA and SW is being tethered to the anemic SM book.

Fair enough.

We'll see what happens, but fight-twice Death Company sound pretty awesome.

**Kirasu**

Yes, it is. If true and not just wish listing. That would be a very powerful ability due to DC mobility, i'm just not confident because we are attached to the incredibly uncreative SM book.

**casvalremdeikun**

Kirasu wrote:
rollawaythestone wrote:
Why is that garbage? On my Tyranids, I pay the points for Adrenal Glands (+1 Charge, +1 Advance) on every single model that can take them. I guarantee that the Blood Angels will get some nice Advance + Charge, or Deepstrike + Charge shenanigans that will synergize nicely with that ability.

Should probably just stop after "On my Tyranids". Marines have always done best as a medium range shooting army due to stuff like assault cannons, multi-meltas and rapid fire weapons. Close combat blood angels hasn't been effective since 4th edition when you had No Retreat! Rending on to-hit and Dante providing re-rolls to said rending. There is absolutely 0 need for more charge distance when the best CC unit we get is mostly garbage. Why do I want to assault and get a few token S4-5 attacks when I can shoot with much more effective weapons starting on turn 1.

Ontop of that other armies after Marines get "tactics" that affect their entire army not just Infantry, Bikes and Dreadnoughts. The biggest weakness of Codex: BA. DA and SW is being tethered to the anemic SM book.

This encapsulates exactly what I worry about with my BA. My Tactical Squads are tri-flamer and not going to get much done at range. My Baal Predators are Dakka and just got whacked with a price increase to their main gun. My Assault Squads will never really get much done since they just don't have enough attacks, though if our Special Pistols drop in price, they might be able to offer something (Inferno Pistols right in the enemy's face!). I want to run Terminators since they look cool, but they are too expensive and suffer from the aforementioned crappy close combat. My Stormraven just took a beating on points (I ran ONE!). Dante is just a beatstick that doesn't really do much for the army at large (give him bonus Command Points!).

Ultimately, I want my Blood Angels to offer something my Crimson Fists army doesn't (by choice), and that is close quarters ripping stuff apart. If Death Company get to attack twice each combat, I will definitely run them. I don't think I really want to run a ton of Primaris stuff since my CF army is like 75% Primaris.

**Tiberius501**

Sorry to ask again, but was wandering if there were any pics of the BAngel dice someone could post up?

Also, I'm really hoping for good Sanguinary Guard. I plan on using some anyway, cos they're awesome, but it'd be sweet if they finally became useful

**casvalremdeikun**

Tiberius501 wrote:
Sorry to ask again, but was wandering if there were any pics of the BAngel dice someone could post up?

Also, I'm really hoping for good Sanguinary Guard. I plan on using some anyway, cos they're awesome, but it'd be sweet if they finally became useful

No images have surfaced yet.

And agreed on Sanguinary Guard. It is bizarre that the equivalent to Honour Guard really have no business being anywhere near the Chapter Master.

**Voidwraith**

FWIW, the guys at Frontlinegaming, who are tournament minded folks, have seen the codex and say BA players will be happy. I'm unsure how exactly to take that, but I'm overall optimistic.

**Slipspace**

Voidwraith wrote:
FWIW, the guys at Frontlinegaming, who are tournament minded folks, have seen the codex and say BA players will be happy. I'm unsure how exactly to take that, but I'm overall optimistic.

Given they were part of the playtesting in the first place and were trying to say BA were actually not that bad a few months back, it doesn't mean much TBH.

I think the BA Codex will be extremely important for GW. One of the key problems with BA is they are hampered by some core 8th edition rules that make close combat very difficult and unrewarding. If GW show they understand these issues and can provide a solid Codex that works as BA should it'll be a great sign for the future of the edition in general.