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The rulebook says that "In order to join a unit, an independant character simply has to move within the 2" coherancy distance of a friendly unit at the end of their movement phase."
Does this mean that you can join with a squad such as ork boyz?

Thanks,
THE PRINCE OF SLANEESH

The rulebook does not cover 2v2 or other games - those rules you should work out yourself.

nosferatu1001 wrote:The rulebook does not cover 2v2 or other games - those rules you should work out yourself.

Actually, you need to use the rules as is, especially if we're talking about a doubles tournament. There might be a tourney FAQ that stipulates certain things that may or may not be done, but other than that it's all about the RAW. Generally speaking in a doubles environment the phrase 'friendly unit' does include both armies. The rules for ICs don't prohibit them from joining an allied unit, so unless there was a tourney ruling, or a set of friendly house rules that prevented it, it's doable.

Fenris-77 wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:The rulebook does not cover 2v2 or other games - those rules you should work out yourself.

Actually, you need to use the rules as is, especially if we're talking about a doubles tournament. There might be a tourney FAQ that stipulates certain things that may or may not be done, but other than that it's all about the RAW. Generally speaking in a doubles environment the phrase 'friendly unit' does include both armies. The rules for ICs don't prohibit them from joining an allied unit, so unless there was a tourney ruling, or a set of friendly house rules that prevented it, it's doable.

The rules as is don't allow doubles tournaments.

my borthers entering a 1000pt doubles FLGS tourney with eldar and orks his eldar list is:
Doomseer w/ runes of warding and singing spear
5 dire avengers in wave serpent w/ starcannon
2 fire prisms
Orks(his partner) is :
Mek with shokk attck gun and some other stuff
20 boyz
20 shoota boyz
10 lootas
The Farseer wants to join either the boys or the shooter boys and cast doom on enemies.

Ridcully wrote:The rules as is don't allow doubles tournaments.

So? People play doubles touraments using the rules, which is what matters. And they do so, for the most part, using the rules as is.


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frogii_the_blue_horror wrote:
The Farseer wants to join either the boys or the shooter boys and cast doom on enemies.

Unless the tournament rules disallow it he can feel free to do just that. I'd recommend he contact the tourney organizers and ask them beforehand.

Fenris-77 wrote:

Ridcully wrote:The rules as is don't allow doubles tournaments.

So? People play doubles touraments using the rules, which is what matters. And they do so, for the most part, using the rules as is.

There are many rules in codices that refer to 'friendly' units. It is up to the TO, or you and your opponent, to decide how rules affect multiple friendly armies. I don't know who the 'people' are that you're referring to, but around here rules that apply to 'friendly' units apply only to the codex army they came from.

Fenris-77 wrote:

Ridcully wrote:The rules as is don't allow doubles tournaments.

So? People play doubles touraments using the rules, which is what matters. And they do so, for the most part, using the rules as is.

And for things that the rules don't cover, like can ICs join your partner's unit, can I fire into a CC my partner is involved in but I am not, they need to be resolved beforehand.

Thnx for the help

As an aside, Orks and Eldar are nasty together. Fortune + Kff FTW!

This is very racist question IMO.

G

At the moment, I'm playing Space Marines with DH allies. Everyone I've played hasn't had a problem with me attaching my SM Captain to my Inquisitor's unit. (Note: Captain without Honour Guard)

They're not from the same Codex, not even the same army, but they're friendly units. Can't see why it wouldn't work in a doubles game.

What you could do, is take the diplomacy chart thingy from the Apocalypse book and work through it that way. (If you have it of course)

Marushi wrote: (Note: Captain without Honour Guard)

That has no bearing on anything - you're not forced to join the Honour Guard (or Command Squad) anyway.

last time i was in a doubles tourie i played DE and my teammate was orks.... I asked can my allies use the webway portal....( this was at a GWbunker too) and they said yes.. so Image nine killer kans comming out of a webway portal, and assaulting the same turn..... with two ravagers behind them and a talos... it was messy of the marines, and IG ...

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:As an aside, Orks and Eldar are nasty together. Fortune + Kff FTW!

I dont think this works, as the wording for eldar beneficial psychic powers tell you to "nominate one eldar unit within 6'' "

Bummer, I know. I intended to guide my buddy's pask punisher until i read into it more specifically.


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that does bring up another question though.. would they work on Dark Eldar allies? Are craftworld eldar and dark eldar both "Eldar" in the same fashion that space marines and imperial guard are both human?

If it's one Force Organization Chart, there's no question that they can be used together, like with the Imperial armies and their Inquisition allies. But for times when there's more than one FOC, it has to be discussed. I think people usually say that they can't, because it creates a lot more complexity to say it does. And it gives certain pairs "unfair" advantages over other pairs.

Falconlance wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:As an aside, Orks and Eldar are nasty together. Fortune + Kff FTW!

I dont think this works, as the wording for eldar beneficial psychic powers tell you to "nominate one eldar unit within 6'' "

Bummer, I know. I intended to guide my buddy's pask punisher until i read into it more specifically.

As long as the farseer was in the unit with the KFF he could fortune himself, and give the reroll to everything in the unit (I believe).

No, as a) the farseer can only target units, and while in a unit he is not a seperate unit (IC joins, not unit joins IC) and b) the unit is *not* an Eldar unit, but an Ork unit with an Eldar IC.

gaylord500 wrote:If it's one Force Organization Chart, there's no question that they can be used together, like with the Imperial armies and their Inquisition allies. But for times when there's more than one FOC, it has to be discussed. I think people usually say that they can't, because it creates a lot more complexity to say it does. And it gives certain pairs "unfair" advantages over other pairs.

I get where you're going with this, but the Force Org doesn't really matter. If the armies are allied then they're 'friendly' unless the house or tourney rules otherwise. As for the fairness part and certain pairings, one of the joys of doubles play is looking for cool synergy. Solid list building for doubles is no different than singles, it's all about fielding units that work well together. If that means I want to give IG orders to squads of Gaunts, so be it .

And yeah, that doesn mean that you have to read powers and special abilities quite carefully, but is that really that hard? IMO if you're already playing a list you should already be 100% familiar with the details of that list.

@Falconlance- No, it wouldn't work IMO. You have Eldar units and Dark Eldar units. There's really no precedent for Dropping the 'Dark' from the description, and it's not in the same boat as chapters of Marines. The descriptor generally refers either to units from a codex, or a subset of units from a codex. Marines is a seperate case of course, but the marines are much more obviously the same 'thing' whereas the E and DE aren't (if you catch my drift).

it all depends on what the codex says in some situations. take the eldar codex, it states for spells such as guide that it can be cast on any friendly "eldar" unit so you could not for instance cast it on the orks.

with regards to joining units, what really matters is the "would it actually happen" rule. i can see a space marine captain joining a unit of guardsmen but can you really see a farseer joining a unit of orks? (allying, er, using with the orks, of course but not actually getting close enough to touch them) i think this way it would reward those doubles players who field an army that is fluff friendly.

it turned out it couldnt gw decided to not let us do it. my brother and his friend lost to a pair of chaos dudes by 1 point.