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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 16:42:13
Subject: BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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As the title states I'm thinking about how to make a solid BT list. Biggest drawbacks: 16 ppm, no grenades, no free weapons and expensive transports for troops. Emperor's champion mandatory. Stormshields only in cc and 4+.
Advantages: heavy and special in 5-man squads. 2 weapons in terminator squads. special rules for termis/swordbrethren. LRC as a dedicated troops transport. fearless in cc.
2 builds came to my mind at 1500:
infantry heavy/shooty:
EC
3x5termis w 2 asscannons
6x5 tacs with las/plas
LRC spam:
EC
4x5 tacs w flamer and LRC
Both might be quite succesful but seem not very attractive to me. Is there another way to make the templars rock?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 16:44:33
Subject: Re:BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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Let us not forget Blessed Hulls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 16:55:12
Subject: Re:BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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I wish I could help you out more, but I am a bit in the dark when it comes to Black Templars. I will say that a Black Templar player won our areas Semi-Final Ard Boyz tournament. Even though it was 2500 points, it was roughly
3 Land Raiders, I think two had termie squads, and three drop pods with tactical squads.
Dont know any more details than that but he seemed to do fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 17:30:02
Subject: BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Tunneling Trygon
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Breakdown as I see it of the BT:
Advantages:
--Preferred enemy for most of the army via champ vow
--Vet skills on terminators, sword brethern and command squads (inlcuding the attached IC).
--Assault cannon spam
--Land Raiders as transports
--ICs can be pimped out a bit more, but also cost a bit more to gear out overall
--Cheaper triple lascannon pred
--Old machine spirit can be given to any tank so it can shoot more while moving
--Option for cheap las/plas spam, or smaller squads that are still geared out
--Slightly cheaper pods, that can shoot on the drop but at BS2. They also don't have drop pod assault rule, so come in completely random via reserves
--Can pad units with neophytes, which works real well in 5ed.
Neutral
Righeous Zeal is advantage (can move toward enemy in his turn) but a disadvantage also (take moral checks on single casualties).
Disadvantages
--Must take a ld test (at -1) to shoot at targets beyond the closest ones
--rhinos/razorbacks old cost (mucho expensive)
--grenades aren't bundled (not huge)
--Lose out on retooled marine wargear
--powerfist is 1 attack, 2 on charge in most squads
--No access to some standard marine units (librarian, attack bikes, some others).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 19:56:05
Subject: Re:BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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Now you're both ignoring blessed hull. :(
Invulnerability to lance weaponry, which negates two armies worth of anti-tank - doesn't that mean anything?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 20:00:00
Subject: Re:BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Dashofpepper wrote:Now you're both ignoring blessed hull. :(
Invulnerability to lance weaponry, which negates two armies worth of anti-tank - doesn't that mean anything?
Nothing's immune to a railgun shot! bwahahahahahaha..... *drool*.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 20:10:00
Subject: BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Proud Phantom Titan
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Dashofpepper wrote:Let us not forget Blessed Hulls.
lets forget about them. As an eldar player i have to say that i never use Bright lances. If theres a AV14 to kill my dragons do it ... everything else dies just as well with missile launchers and banks of scatter lasers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/12/18 20:11:37
Subject: Re:BT - can they be competitive anymore?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Finland
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Winterman covered the pros and cons pretty well ( minus Blessed Hull of course  ). I have faced Black Templars half a dozen times and my experience is that the army-wide "Preferred Enemy" is the great equalizer. Big squads with ablative wounds ( neophytes ) + Righteous Zeal + Preferred Enemy is very potent threat. Even dedicated assault units get a run for their money.
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