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Just need this cleared up, can a lash be used to...

A) Pull a unit through a wall that the unit would otherwise be unable to move through.

And

B) Example: Generic shooty unit is sitting atop a building, along come a slannesh sorc with lash and used it upon them, can the generic shooty unit be lashed is a direction that would cause them to "hang" in mid-air, and then fall, if so, what happens when they fall?

Is it an intact building?
In which case, you can't lash them, as you can't target them - they count as embarked in a transport.

Ruins are a different case.

Most of the building i play with are ruins so i could be lashed out. But can it be directly through a solid wall (i can imagine being lashed through a window, doorway, gaping hole, but a solid wall just seems to be pushing it)

CSM rulebook states "The target is moved 2D6" by the chaos player. This moved is not slowed by difficult terrain, but dangerous terrain tests are taken as normal. Victims may not be moved off the table, into impassible terrain..."

and the rulebook states "models may move through walls, closed doors and windows... unless the players have agreed that a certain wall or obstacle is impassible"

so...

as i read it... if we agree beforehand that solid walls are impassible then i cannot be pushed or pulled through solid wall, but windows, doorways and less sturdy walls are fine. Right? also, would being pulled from a ruin from a higher floor directly out into mid-air count as impassible? If the chaos player wants to pull me closer and out of the building would he move me 2D6" in a 2D plain and i fall to the ground (im guessing taking a dangerous terrain test) or would he have to move me diagonally to the floor and make contact with it?

Example) Unit A is sitting in a building 7" up aiming out of windows, they get lashed 10". Do they...
A) move 10" forwards (finish the lash move in impassible terrain as your floating in the sky) then drop 7" to ground level (traveling diagonally approximately 12.5")
or
B) move diagonally 10" as to contact the groud.

EDIT:typo

Check the Chaos FAQ. The Lash move is conducted in exactly the same way as any normal movement, with the exception that it is the opponent who controls them and their maximum movement is variable.

Therefore, you cannot make the unit move through impassable terrain, you cannot make it 'hang' in mid-air or make them drop down further than they'd be allowed to move, or what have you.

Example) Unit A is sitting in a building 7" up aiming out of windows, they get lashed 10". Do they...
A) move 10" forwards (finish the lash move in impassible terrain as your floating in the sky) then drop 7" to ground level (traveling diagonally approximately 12.5")
or
B) move diagonally 10" as to contact the groud.

Neither. You move them either 10" up or down, or you could move them 3" across then 7" down, and so on. You do not move in ruins (note the terminology difference here, buildings are different) diagonally; you move in, then you move up or down.

Thanks for the clarification

What is lash?

Pennywise wrote:What is lash?

Lash of Submission, also known as Fzorgle.

Lash of Submission is a CSM Slaanesh Psyker Power where basically a target unit becomes my b for a turn.

As with above, be fair and talk about terrain before the match so issues don't arise when using Lash. Its a controversial maneuver but remember, you're playing to have fun.

Note the rule ignores difficult terrain for movement purposes, but says nothing about impassible. Since Lash doesn't specifically override it, that portion of the movement rules (can't move through impassible terrain) remains in effect. So no, you can't be lashed through/over impassible terrain. That said, be sure and clarify with your opponent before the game which walls and parts of ruins are impassible. After all, I'd say it's perfectly plausible that most units in the 40k universe could find a way through an old brick wall.

Hope this helps!

-GK

Hi guys,

On a related note, how does Lash function for targeting units embarked in vehicles? I assume that as normal, enclosed vehicles prohibit it due to no line of sight, but what about open-topped vehicles?

Tantras wrote:Hi guys,

On a related note, how does Lash function for targeting units embarked in vehicles? I assume that as normal, enclosed vehicles prohibit it due to no line of sight, but what about open-topped vehicles?

You can't target units embarked in a transport.

zatchmo wrote:

Tantras wrote:Hi guys,

On a related note, how does Lash function for targeting units embarked in vehicles? I assume that as normal, enclosed vehicles prohibit it due to no line of sight, but what about open-topped vehicles?

You can't target units embarked in a transport.

Perfect, I was hoping it was that simple. It's an open and shut case, then? No exceptions?

Fzorgle? Please explain.

No exceptions. Targetting requires LOS, you do not have LOS to a unit embarked on a transport - Open Topped or not.

Fzorlge is a slang term for Lash...possibly from peoples reactions the first time they see the rules

It might be worth mentioning here that building levels are treated uniformly at 3" per level aren't they? So that your height above the battlefield can only be in multiples of three....

Also, I just went looking for something about not being able to target a unit in a transport (pertaining to another discussion) and couldn't find it. Could someone point this out to me in the rulebook?

No, they are to be discussed between you and your opponent before the game begins.


Targeting requires LOS, a unit inside a transport is not on the table as such, thus it can not be in LOS.