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Hola,
So, I was wondering what Inquisitor/Retinue people feel work well with IG under 5th. Perhaps naively, I get the impresssion that they could fill a nice assault/deep-strike counter niche (I hate swooping hawks); I'm sorely tempted by an Inq (thinking force weapon, powers), couple of Crusaders, some floaty heads and a Callidus to stick into one of my under-used elite slots. I don't want to go in to GK/SoB territory, just add a splash of golden =I=. Thoughts?

Start with an Inq and two mystics, plus almost always a psychic hood (for an all comers list) and go from there. The Tarot can be pretty good to if you list has a lot of alphastrike components. After that I'd normally suggest loading the retinue out with special weapons and calling it a day.

Adding the LR can fun as well, although a Chimera in a mech list works just fine. I've seen guys run their Inq in A Valk or Vendetta too.

Adding the Callidus, for me, is a matter of whether I have those points more or less 'left over' after putting the rest of my list together. She's got some good synergy with alphastrike armies too, so if your pushing that as an idea she'll fit right in.

Hmm. Interesting, cheers. Are death cult any good, btw?

inmygravenimage wrote: Are death cult any good, btw?

Death Cult Assassins are probably the worst non-SC unit in any 40k Codex. No, really.

Inquisitors can perform fairly well in an IG Codex. As stated, an Inq. Lord + Hood + 2x Mystics + Tarrot fills three useful roles in a list. Making an Inquisitor retinue into a good CC or shooting unit is possible, but doing so costs a lot of points that are honestly better spent elsewhere.

Grey Knight Terminators are good units in an IG list, filling roles that IG alone cannot fill.

Calidus Assassins are great for assassinating enemy HQs, well obviously.

BUT

Take a Psyker Battle Squad, with full complement. Take an Inq with whatever, take a Calidus....

Psyker Battle Squad use Weaken Resolve, knocking the target down to Ld 2. Calidus pops out and fires their Neural Shredder, AP1, S8, flamer template that uses the enemies Ld instead of their T, thereby instagibbing whole unit.

TL;DR: Above combo Kills gak.

Ha! That's just vicious! Think I'd stick the psykers in a chimera, though, for protection - although that might make them just a bit of a target.

For me, it's a DH Inquisitor Lord with three mystics, Tarot and Hood. Tarot for a probable +1 to the roll to go first, course you can choose to go second if you want to. Hood, self explanatory. Mystics for that anti-deepstriking/Summoned defense. Keep the Inq within 12" of some major shooty IG unit and the IG unit can do the shooting when the Inq detects anything coming in.

And yes, I also use the Callidus/Psyker Battle Squad combo, and yes, it is mean. And I do indeed run my PSB in a Chimera.

Mine is slightly more expensive but I lean towards Inq with Tarot, Psychic Hood, 2x Mystics, 3x Veteran Guardsmen with Plasma Rifles. Mounted in either a Rhino or a Chimera. Mystics for deep strike defense with a big pie plate tank or Executioner nearby and the Plasma Rifles to help make up for the CCS slot he takes up.

Spend the 6 points for an extra mystic. If you get knocked down to 1 mystic somehow a lone mystic doesn't do much. If your squad is in a transport there is a good chance you might loose a mystic in a vehicle explosion. It's only 6 more points for a 3rd mystic.

A guy at the store I play at keeps Pask in a 3 heavy bolter punisher (32 S5 shots) near to his inquisitor. Deep striking daemons lesser or greater near that is suicide.

A 5 plasma shot executioner would also drive off deep striking units. Free plasma cannon shots on units bunched up from a deep strike would be suicide for the deep strikers.

A large 40 to 50 man combined infantry squad would also be scary.

Cheers for all the input folks. Thus far, i've made myself a callidus, inq and 2 mystics out of various bits. I'd thought similarly about 3rd mystic. Still quite tempted by a couple of crusaders, though...

Do you take plasma at all in your list?

Because a plasma gun is only 10 points for a warrior henchman, that's a great place to load up on them.

My standard Inquisitor build for games 1000 points and up is:
Inquisitor (elite) + 2 Mystics + 3 Warriors + 3 Plasma Guns + Hood + Tarot: 127

Not much more expensive than a Vet squad with plasma, and comes with the Hood/Tarot goodies, as well as the warriors having a respectable 4+ save instead of the IG standard 5+. In higher points games I typically throw in a Psycannon and Sage as well - 3 S6 hitting on 2's isn't a bad deal for 40 points, and you can laugh when your Demon opponent brings out the 3-wound Fateweaver that can so easily kill since you ignore invulnerable saves.

It'll keep getting better over the next few codeces - there are a bunch of powerful psychic powers out there now, and more are coming out. I can easily see IG becoming no longer competitive if the new Inquisition codex sometime down the line will disallow allying and thus take away IG's potential for a psychic hood - a hood isn't necessary now, of course, but it's great to have and it'll only become more important if new codeces follow the trend being set by SW/Nids.

makr wrote:Do you take plasma at all in your list?

Because a plasma gun is only 10 points for a warrior henchman, that's a great place to load up on them.

My standard Inquisitor build for games 1000 points and up is:
Inquisitor (elite) + 2 Mystics + 3 Warriors + 3 Plasma Guns + Hood + Tarot: 127

Not much more expensive than a Vet squad with plasma, and comes with the Hood/Tarot goodies, as well as the warriors having a respectable 4+ save instead of the IG standard 5+. In higher points games I typically throw in a Psycannon and Sage as well - 3 S6 hitting on 2's isn't a bad deal for 40 points, and you can laugh when your Demon opponent brings out the 3-wound Fateweaver that can so easily kill since you ignore invulnerable saves.

It'll keep getting better over the next few codeces - there are a bunch of powerful psychic powers out there now, and more are coming out. I can easily see IG becoming no longer competitive if the new Inquisition codex sometime down the line will disallow allying and thus take away IG's potential for a psychic hood - a hood isn't necessary now, of course, but it's great to have and it'll only become more important if new codeces follow the trend being set by SW/Nids.

Add some cannon fodder to that squad. The average toughness of that squad is 3, only the inquisitor can have good armor, and your opponent will make that squad a priority target if they have deep strikers. For 24 points you could add 3 familiars and another mystic. As it is right now that squad can't take a single wound without loosing the inquisitor, a plasma gun, or being knocked down to a single mystic.

schadenfreude wrote:
Add some cannon fodder to that squad. The average toughness of that squad is 3, only the inquisitor can have good armor, and your opponent will make that squad a priority target if they have deep strikers. For 24 points you could add 3 familiars and another mystic. As it is right now that squad can't take a single wound without loosing the inquisitor, a plasma gun, or being knocked down to a single mystic.

That would force an upgrade to an Inq. Lord. Not saying it's a bad idea, but if he wants dual CCS, it's impossible.

Perhaps, yes - but in the end they're just as vulnerable as, say, a melta-toting mobile CCS. I keep them in a chimera stolen from a veteran squad and they're safe enough - in points higher than 1500 I typically take a Callidus, in which case I'd have to upgrade to Lord anyway and would then consider your suggestion.

But really, it looks like it would be 49 points for me to let the squad take 4 wounds that only have 5+ saves anyway - and it's a mantra for me that every point you spend in IG that doesn't let you shoot better is a wasted point, and that's almost enough for another chimera.

Also, maybe it's semantics, but they can take a single wound - the Inquisitor has 2.

Hola,
Okay, so dumb question: why would a Callidus force me to upgrade to a Lord? Wouldn't it just occupy another elite slot? I'm not over-fussed about running 2x CCS (wife got me a Salamander for Xmas, hurrah!), just curious.

I'm probably going to see what I can salvage from parts: I like floaty skulls and I've got some good body bits for funky grunts.

Mmm, because you only get one allied Elite slot, and one allies HQ slot, so the only way to get the Callidus is to take the Inq Lord first.

I don't mind taking the Lord anyway. Those 10pt Plasmas were what I was really suggesting you load up on, and if you're going to go that route you proabably do want the extra 3-4 meat sacks in the squad. Considering all the other goodies you get the price is quite reasonable too.

If you're going for plasma guns on the warriors, you can get reasonable synergy by using Acolytes (8pts each?) with Bolters (1 pt each) for yoiur ablative wounds.