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Rules of “The Void Dragon”

The Void Dragon
Ws(8) Bs(5) S(10) T(8) W(6)

I(3) A(5(6)) Ld(10) sv(4+*) Pts(1500)

Imperial traitors
Ws(4) Bs(4) S(5) T(5) W(2)

I(2) A(1) Ld(10) Sv(3+) Pts(50)

Super warriors
Ws(4) Bs(4) S(5) T(5) W(1)

I(3) A(1) Ld(10) Sv(3+) Pts(40)


Number/squad: 1

Weapons: the void dragon has multiple arms and counts as carrying multiple close combat weapons (already included)

Character: The Void Dragon is a c’tan and follows the rules for independent characters except for those changes made by the ‘above all others’ rule

SPECIAL RULES
God of the mechanicum: an army led by the void dragon may take a unit of imperial traitors. They are elite choices and may be taken in groups of 1-3 but act as independent characters. They count as carrying resurrection orbs with a range of 2 in and power weapons, they may be given the necron rules for 20 pts a model

The machine spirit: if an enemy vehicle is within 18 of the void dragon then the necron player may fire one weapon on the vehicle in question. The vehicle counts as immobilized for this shooting attack. (It cannot pivot), he may only do this with one vehicle per turn.

Control of machines: any vehicle within 24” of the void dragon takes a dangerous terrain test.

If a vehicle becomes destroyed (wrecked or explodes) roll a d6, if it’s a 5+ the vehicle becomes active, it reactivates with -1 armour on each side and the effects of one glancing hit on it (ignore open topped for this) when the vehicle reactivates, it is under the control of the player controlling the void dragon, if the vehicle was destroyed within 12 inches of the void dragon it reactivates on a 4+ instead

Armies of the Void Dragon: an army led by the void dragon may contain a modified version of the necron warrior (you may still take the basic necron warriors) their stats are above, they are armed with either gauss blasters OR phase shifters (this does not count as the one per army) and two power weapons. All super warriors follow the rules for necrons and carry disruption fields. They may be taken in squads of 5-20, and are elite choices

Wave of destruction: in the shooting phase the void dragon may choose to use this ability, it has the following profile; he may choose to use either one but not both. he may not move or assault and fire the second type even though monstrous creatures are relentless

Rng (36), S(7), AP(2), assault 3.
or
Rng (72), S(10), AP(1), heavy 1 large blast

If you have any suggestions about the rules or point values on the void dragon/ buddies, or any insults/ praises for me, feel free

Why does the Void Dragon have to be an enemy of the Imperium?

The Emperor imprisoned him for thousands of years in Mars... he's pretty pissed

Why? It sounded like the Void Dragon was worshipped and tended to as a God. The Emperor is kept imprisoned on his Golden Throne, he doesn't seem to ticked off at the Imperium.

Skinnattittar wrote:Why? It sounded like the Void Dragon was worshipped and tended to as a God.

If you got thrown in a room barely big enough for you to fit against your will after you just got your ass handed to you by a member of a race you were exploiting and harvesting, and the only way for your wishes to be done is to force your will on the weak minded idiots who don't even know what they are doing and warship you only because you make their crap work, you'd be pretty pissed too

Skinnattittar wrote: The Emperor is kept imprisoned on his Golden Throne, he doesn't seem to ticked off at the Imperium.

the emperor was placed on the golden throne so he would survive. the void dragon's power is suppressed in his prison, and he would be alive if he ever was released from his prison whereas the emperor would not.

is that a good enough answer for you?

and P.S. please put something in your signature on how to pronounce your name

but just to end the argument I will start making a variant that would work for the Imperium, though it will be more like a massive tech priest possessed fully by the omnisiah but is directing his will with the help of the emporer

Skinnattittar wrote:Why does the Void Dragon have to be an enemy of the Imperium?

The OP:

Although Skinnattittar can make some very good points now and again, on the subject of the IG...he will insist that almost near anything cool should head to the IG...or at worst, the Imperium.

The Void Dragon breaking loose, and being pissed makes sense to me. Sure, he's been well-tended, and worshipped...but by the Mechanicus.
Rules for a Dark Mechicanicus force would make sense alongside the Void Dragon.

I thought that the void dragon was a c'tan so large it could eat a planet? I'm sure I read this bit of fluff somewhere but can't find the reference now, anyway if it is true then here's my stab at it:

Beacon of the void dragon (apocalypse wargear) - 500pts

A beacon of the void dragon can be given to any lord/c'tan in the army. A player may activate the beacon and attempt to call the void dragon to eat the planet at the beginning of his or her turn. Once activated, the player must roll a d6 at the beginning of his subsequent turns, the first time a 6 is rolled the 'night fighting' rules come into effect for the rest of the game as the void dragon's huge form blocks out the nearest sun, the player must then make a roll of 5+ at the beginning of each turn (like an un-modifyable reserve roll). If this is passed, then at the end of the current game turn the necron player wins. If however the lord/c'tan is killed during the course of these actions, then the process is stopped as the beacon dies with the bearer and the void dragon loses interest, on the subsequent turn after the bearer is killed, night fighting is no longer in effect as the dragon moves on.

Che-Vito wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:Why does the Void Dragon have to be an enemy of the Imperium?

The OP:

Although Skinnattittar can make some very good points now and again, on the subject of the IG...he will insist that almost near anything cool should head to the IG...or at worst, the Imperium.

The Void Dragon breaking loose, and being pissed makes sense to me. Sure, he's been well-tended, and worshipped...but by the Mechanicus.
Rules for a Dark Mechicanicus force would make sense alongside the Void Dragon.

Che-Vito rarely makes any good points, especially when it comes to what other people might be thinking. Example : Here. (don't take it too personally, Che-Vito, I'm only ribbing you)

What I was TRYING to say in fewer words, and just as much ask as anything, was: why is it the Void Dragon, whenever it is brought up for a rules set, which happens about every month somewhere or from someone, is it always as an enemy of the Imperium? The Void Dragon is very mysterious, and very little is known about what it is, much less its nature. So why is it every time it is brought up, it is automatically assumed to be hostile towards the Imperium, but friendly to Chaos or the Necrons? I am not saying it should be all "Hey Imperials, how's it going! I'm gonna fight on your side now, here, let me solve all your problems with those pesky Chaos types!" I'm just asking a simple question!

Skinnattittar wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:Why does the Void Dragon have to be an enemy of the Imperium?

The OP:

Although Skinnattittar can make some very good points now and again, on the subject of the IG...he will insist that almost near anything cool should head to the IG...or at worst, the Imperium.

The Void Dragon breaking loose, and being pissed makes sense to me. Sure, he's been well-tended, and worshipped...but by the Mechanicus.
Rules for a Dark Mechicanicus force would make sense alongside the Void Dragon.

Che-Vito rarely makes any good points, especially when it comes to what other people might be thinking. Example : Here. (don't take it too personally, Che-Vito, I'm only ribbing you)

What I was TRYING to say in fewer words, and just as much ask as anything, was: why is it the Void Dragon, whenever it is brought up for a rules set, which happens about every month somewhere or from someone, is it always as an enemy of the Imperium? The Void Dragon is very mysterious, and very little is known about what it is, much less its nature. So why is it every time it is brought up, it is automatically assumed to be hostile towards the Imperium, but friendly to Chaos or the Necrons? I am not saying it should be all "Hey Imperials, how's it going! I'm gonna fight on your side now, here, let me solve all your problems with those pesky Chaos types!" I'm just asking a simple question!

I assume it because, although little has been written on the subject...it is quite clear that the Emperor put said Void Dragon there. I imagine the Void Dragon would be more than a bit angry should it arise again, and whom better to direct that to than the Imperium?

I don't see the Void Dragon as joining forces of Chaos or Necrons, I think it is more likely for the Mechanicum (at least on Mars) to bow before the Void Dragon should it get loose. They've worshipped and tended to him, and more than likely would take him as a physical incarnation of the Omni.

(as a side note, I would love to see a pure Mechanicum force codex made...after all the current codexes are updated to 5th Edition, of course! )

Skinnattittar wrote:Why does the Void Dragon have to be an enemy of the Imperium?

He is xenos, I dont care how good of an orator you are, you cannot overcome this

che-vito wrote:I don't see the Void Dragon as joining forces of Chaos or Necrons, I think it is more likely for the Mechanicum (at least on Mars) to bow before the Void Dragon should it get loose. They've worshipped and tended to him, and more than likely would take him as a physical incarnation of the Omni.

... he is a c'tan, if you were a badass general, got captured by Russians and then worshiped by them, if you ever got out would you rather lead Russian soldiers or marines?

Che-Vito wrote:(as a side note, I would love to see a pure Mechanicum force codex made...after all the current codexes are updated to 5th Edition, of course! )

Except for Dark Eldar and Tau. They don't need new Codices.

The fluff I have heard and read was rather ambiguous as to the circumstances surrounding the "taming," for lack of a better word, of the Void Dragon. Not only that, but the Void Dragon isn't even necessarily a being of similar dissuasion as humans. By that I mean; we don't know what dissuasion it is of! Whether it is wild beast or sentient creature, whether it is aware of the emotion of 'vengence' or 'justice.' So to say simply it would demand retribution, is not within the purview of our knowledge of the Void Dragon.

It may not even be militaristic or disposed to violence (as mythological Dragons are typically not). I will agree, however, that the Adeptus Mechanicus would most definitely have want to follow it in whatever doing it might lead them in, or may simply chase after it to "contain" it once me. That might entail capturing it, or trying to persuade it to return to them. For all we know, it might simply take off and never be heard from again! The universe is a large place, the Mechanicus might follow it out of the galaxy and never be seen of again.

What I would think is that the Mechanicus would become a more autonomous or even sentient branch of humanity. Dividing itself from Terra and the Imperium as it had been, but would most likely remain in very close contact, considering the level at which the two are currently tied to one another. It would be very difficult to separate them, and if they did, would most likely cause a schism in the Mechanicus AND the Imperium simultaneously. Which would be interesting in its own right.

skinnattittar wrote:It may not even be militaristic or disposed to violence

bibbi wrote:The Void Dragon is a c’tan

contradictory statements...

BIBBI wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:Why does the Void Dragon have to be an enemy of the Imperium?

He is xenos, I dont care how good of an orator you are, you cannot overcome this

che-vito wrote:I don't see the Void Dragon as joining forces of Chaos or Necrons, I think it is more likely for the Mechanicum (at least on Mars) to bow before the Void Dragon should it get loose. They've worshipped and tended to him, and more than likely would take him as a physical incarnation of the Omni.

... he is a c'tan, if you were a badass general, got captured by Russians and then worshiped by them, if you ever got out would you rather lead Russian soldiers or marines?

The analogy doesn't make much sense...and being a C'tan...he could fit in with a Necron force or a Mechanicum one.

@Skinnittittar: Everyone deserves an update...Tau and DE, as much as IG and SM
I wish they'd spend a good chunk of time updating all the Codexes, and bring back some of the older army lists to 5th Edition.

I was obviously kidding about the Tau and the Dark Eldar. They are perhaps the most deserving of a Codex update (Dark Eldar being first, by far, then the Imperial Guard, and then the Tau... then Guard again so by codex creep they are still superior to Tau [protip : The author knows how much Che-Vito hates the Imperial Guard, and thus, the reference to another Imperial Guard update so soon is a joke])

Very little is known about the C'Tan, though it is generally accepted that they are, at some points, evil incarnate. According to Mechanicum (the novel), the Void Dragon is not very happy about being imprisoned (something I'm surprised wasn't brought up, as it is heavily mentioned in Lexicanum).

Skinnattittar wrote:I was obviously kidding about the Tau and the Dark Eldar. They are perhaps the most deserving of a Codex update (Dark Eldar being first, by far, then the Imperial Guard, and then the Tau... then Guard again so by codex creep they are still superior to Tau [protip : The author knows how much Che-Vito hates the Imperial Guard, and thus, the reference to another Imperial Guard update so soon is a joke])

Very little is known about the C'Tan, though it is generally accepted that they are, at some points, evil incarnate. According to Mechanicum (the novel), the Void Dragon is not very happy about being imprisoned (something I'm surprised wasn't brought up, as it is heavily mentioned in Lexicanum).

Lol, I don't mind Guard at all, seeing as how I play them!

Skinnattittar...we've been talking about the Void Dragon escaping, and being pretty pissed off, this entire thread!

Che-Vito wrote:Skinnattittar...we've been talking about the Void Dragon escaping, and being pretty pissed off, this entire thread!

which kind of makes me sad, as the original question was how to make this charactar more balanced so I could use him in a 40k game.

but this is pretty dag-gum cool too

But no one brought that up and said where they knew it from! And when I countered, there was no "well, that's how it happened!" Cite your sources and stick to your guns! I'm trying to type less sardonically, so just imagine someone saying this in a flamboyant humor. Most people just accept that for some reason, the Void Dragon would be evil, when there are only a few examples from the Mechanicum novel to have ever suggested that the Void Dragon would be angry, or is even contained against its will.

Personally, I have no love of how Graham McNeill portrayed the Adeptus Mechanicus, and was very disappointed with the general lack of atmosphere and depth to the characters, and the Mechanicum and cultures of Mars in general.