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Ok so played a guy this week end, Chaos and he was moving and shooting his obliterates when firing lasscannons and such. I asked to see why and as I read I cant see why. He was indigent that they get to shoot lasscannons and move. Lasscannon is heavy weapon they are infantry. So normally they must stand there if they want to shoot. They do have slow and purposeful, but under those rules nothing is listed as giving them relentless. Which would let them move and shoot. I only ask here as Taus broadsides can use ASS and move as slow and purposeful and shoot heavy weapons, but thats tau and a clearly stated rule. Am I missing something?

Slow and Purposeful means that although you move through difficult terrain, you count as stationary when firing weapons, so yes he could fire the lascannons if he moved.

and I believe it also says they're relentless somewhere as well, just like terminators (because they essentially are termis)

Terminator armour gives you the Relentless rule doesn't it? And 'Blitz are in Terminator armour.

No...'Blitz are not in Terminator Armor.
Slow and Purposeful gives them Relentless. It should be there in the rules for it in the USR or in the shooting section.

I don't have the rule book on me, but if I had it, I'm sure it's quite easy to find these rules without needing to resort to asking about it in the YMDC.

It is in the rules, infact its the very first sentence of the slow and purposeful rule.

"Models with this special rule are relentless, see above"

So yes he can move and shoot all the lascannons he wants all day long. Another reason its a smart idea to give broadsides the advanced stabilization systems. Slow and purposeful means you can move and shoot those bad ass guns.

KingCracker wrote:It is in the rules, infact its the very first sentence of the slow and purposeful rule.

"Models with this special rule are relentless, see above"

So yes he can move and shoot all the lascannons he wants all day long. Another reason its a smart idea to give broadsides the advanced stabilization systems. Slow and purposeful means you can move and shoot those bad ass guns.

agreed. considering 1/3 of missions involve the broadsides not starting on the table, i've taken to always using them. it's also interesting to note that chaos terminators have a wierd version of the firing/moving rules that don't allow them technically to rapid fire and assault per a strict RAW reading of their rules IIRC. we've changed it to relentless in my FLGS to simply keep things consistent across termie lines.

Hmmm... I remember it being the other way around.

The rules mention specifically they can rapid fire and charge.

The only issue Chaos Terminators have is that they can't shoot the Combi-bolter at over 12" when they move.
Termies are not relentless and have specific rules that allow them to charge after rapid firing, but can't shoot at 24" with their bolters if they move.

Sanctjud wrote:Hmmm... I remember it being the other way around.

The rules mention specifically they can rapid fire and charge.

The only issue Chaos Terminators have is that they can't shoot the Combi-bolter at over 12" when they move.
Termies are not relentless and have specific rules that allow them to charge after rapid firing, but can't shoot at 24" with their bolters if they move.

i just looked it up (instead of relying on memory regarding a rule we houseruled). you are correct; their difference is in not counting as stationary for rapid fire (but are for heavy). they are able to charge and fire rapid fire and heavy weapons.

warboss wrote:

Sanctjud wrote:Hmmm... I remember it being the other way around.

The rules mention specifically they can rapid fire and charge.

The only issue Chaos Terminators have is that they can't shoot the Combi-bolter at over 12" when they move.
Termies are not relentless and have specific rules that allow them to charge after rapid firing, but can't shoot at 24" with their bolters if they move.

i just looked it up (instead of relying on memory regarding a rule we houseruled). you are correct; their difference is in not counting as stationary for rapid fire (but are for heavy). they are able to charge and fire rapid fire and heavy weapons.

This is how people SHOULD do things when it comes to rules. Usually a flame bait and be stopped by doing this

@KingCracker:

Agreed,

This was my way of approaching this:

I don't have the rule book on me, but if I had it, I'm sure it's quite easy to find these rules without needing to resort to asking about it in the YMDC.

Yup, and normally it works out. But you do run into the occasional conundrum where it just inst clear, period.