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Ok, so, i recently read an article that suggested the majority of the British public are all for capital punishment with regards to the most severe of crimes (Ian Huntley anyone?) So when i read about the miscreant who was killed today, i thought it was good news personally.

I even made a facebook group to show the Chinese that we are not all (in fact more than half of us if you read the stats) against the death penalty.

Especially for scumbag heroin pushers that have no history of mental illness.

If anyone wants to join, crack on. I will send it to the Chinese Embassy in London with a box of sweets!

http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=222496463315


Now thats the good stuff over, i have to agree with some of the liberal types. Another thread regarding this matter was trollish to the extreme. And yes, some Americans (again, not the majority, as i have loads of great American military friends and a missus to boot) are ridiculous Hypocrites.

At least i am an equal opportunities executor! Some of you guys are all "waaa waaa Amanda Knox" when the woman is clearly a human toilet, and yet you celebrate when a British scumbag is executed.

I am more than happy to flush all scum away, in fact, i think i like it when its British scum slightly more, because i know it annoys my handwringing liberal countrymen.

Actually, that makes me think of a second question, who honestly cares about nationality anyway?! I loved almost all the soldiers i served with way more than bleeding heart civvies from my own country. I am genuinely not feeling this bizarre loyalty to your "country" isnt it just lines on a map anyway?

I would far rather go for a pint with a centre right ex military Atheist from France than with a lefty tree hugging hippy from Middlesbrough any day of the week!

So there are two questions, firstly, do you think capital punishment is a good idea? And secondly, do you actually care what nationality people are, and if so, why? Would you rather go for a pint with someone you have alot in common with from a foreign (or even histroically hostile) nation, or someone you know you would dislike from your local area?

Im against the death penalty. Its hypercritical and frankly its barbaric.

Another thread regarding this matter was trollish to the extreme.

(gets banhammer back out) Did you just call me a troll?

EDIT. I'm ok with anyone except Leichtensteinians. Those ers will pay for their evil ways!

Your not a troll Frazz, your a thoroughly decent chap who thoroughly agrees with saving the taxpayers alot of money like me right?

mattyrm wrote:Your not a troll Frazz, your a thoroughly decent chap who thoroughly agrees with saving the taxpayers alot of money like me right?

Ok.
In reply to your query:

about sums it up.

LL, why is it barbaric?

Dont you think that it might have been in the past but now maybe it is less so?

My argument is that if there can be any shadow of doubt, we can merely jail them. If they can be rehabilited we can merely jail them. We can merely jail them if they are mentally ill, terminally ill, or there was some kind of circumstances that led to it.

However, someone who kills little kids like Huntley, can NEVER be rehabilitated, NEVER be released and NEVER "cured"

Also, a lethal injection is hardly barbaric, and finally i would say that DNA evidence and CCTV can in 2009 make us 100% sure of guilt in some cases. If were only 99.99% certain, then lets just jail them.

But i fail to see the sense in not killing some of the slime we keep alive and comfortable.

I feel that the death penalty is not good enough for certain criminals. Sure kill the average murderers and rapist, my only stipulation is that we have really good proof (as in a video or what not) and that we do it quickly and cheaply (in fact we should charge there estate for the cost of killing them).


But for terrorist/serial killers/ and pedophiles we need to come up with something far worse.

Perhaps public castration, followed by a life time of hard labor in some salt mine, with no tools.

The fella on the plane on Christmas day?

I'd put a bullet in him myself and I'd be thinking about all those other folks who were on that plane and all their families.

Stompa, killing a suicide bound terrorist is the wrong answer. You are just playing into there hands, read my post above.

I'd rather die then be jailed for life.

Its barbaric, because you are killing somone, even if you use a injection. I mean, are we as a society, saying its to ok to kill people, if they commit a crime, so horrible, that they have they to be removed from society or be killed.

I'd rather die then be jailed for life.

Thats because you live a cushy middle class or higher life.



Try being homeless for a year... Jail looks really tempting, free food, a warm bed, free cable, arts can crafts, a weight room, a library, also how about a pharmacy that gives free meds!


Also on a side note all the anal sex you could want!

Against the DP full stop, also think all drugs sould be legalised.... Also I dont agree with the concept of nations and national identity.

Matty (AKA 'Judas') wrote:I would far rather go for a pint with a centre right ex military Atheist from France than with a lefty tree hugging hippy from Middlesbrough any day of the week!

MATE!!?!

That hurts.

Actually, I'm not really that 'left' or 'right' in any definitive sense... I support the DP for SOME crimes, and stricter immigration policy - I also support legalisation of all narcotics, and am resolutely Pro-Choice with regard to abortion.

But I have never hugged a tree.


Ever.

Life in prison is simply death by time. If we can say that someone is no longer fit for human contact, then we ought to have the moral fortitude to take them out quickly and cleanly.

There are crimes from which no rehabilitation is possible, and no punishment strong enough. In those cases, our society must protect itself from the dangerous degenerates that have forfeited their right to life.

Personally, I support expanding the death penalty to serious repeat offenders- 3 felonies within 5 nonconsecutive years of time outside of prison and you're executed would be sufficiently lenient.

@ Matt,
I'm pretty much with you on this one. I don't care where the person is from. A scumbag is a scumbag a should be executed if they deserve it.

Lord-Loss wrote:I mean, are we as a society, saying its to ok to kill people, if they commit a crime, so horrible, that they have they to be removed from society or be killed.

yes... yes we are. there are some folk that are not redeemable so why keep them here? imho we should follow the court hearings up immediately with the executions. they should have a rope "out back" to deliver the sentence. hell, the death sentence can mean many years on death row alone. i dont think we execute enough people honestly. how many "rehabilitated" people have we seen go out and commit the same crime if not worse? execute them and feed them to the jail population... try to get something out of them at least.
well ok, maybe not the last bit but it's terrible. why do we have guys in jail for life that have committed terrible acts? what purpose does them being there serve besides leeching off of an overburdened system?
and yes, i know mistakes are made and innocent people are convicted of crimes that they didnt commit but id rather have that than the flip side of that.

edited to agree with gitzbitah...

I had a conversation about this with the gf last night actually. We started talking about the Casey Anthoney trial in florida. If you don't know, it's the woman who allegedly killed her toddler and drove around partying with the decomposing body in her trunk. Then she allegedly ditched the poor baby in the swamp. She also did alot of other really crazy things.... needless to say it kept Nancy Grace in business for a long time.
Anyways, my gf said that the woman should be kept in jail for her entire life, basically forced to live with what she had done, and never know freedom again. I said that that was stupid, why should the taxpayers pay for her lifelong incarceration, just to satisfy some need for vengance.
Justice, imho, in this case would be to let the father of the little girl cut this chick's head off himself, but barring that, just execute her and be done. A life of incarceration won't bring the little girl back, it merely satisfies the need for vengance. And more importantly, I don't believe the mother regrets the murder, so there is no guarantee the "punishment" will work. Plus it costs good citizens, and non-murderers alot of fecking money to keep somebody locked up for the rest of their life.
So I am for the death-penalty in cases where the charge is murder, and the proof is undeniable. It's stupid for my tax money to go towards supporting the continued existence of somebody who has destroyed a part of my society.

Lord-Loss wrote:I'd rather die then be jailed for life.

Its barbaric, because you are killing somone, even if you use a injection.

So it's better to die than be jailed for life, but executing someone is "barbaric" while jailing for life is not?

That doesn't make any sense. If we don't look to how the prisoner suffers in determining "barbaric" punishments what are we supposed to look at? Aesthetics? What sounds good on paper?

I mean, are we as a society, saying its to ok to kill people, if they commit a crime, so horrible, that they have they to be removed from society or be killed.

What's wrong with that? As Gitzbitah said, life in prison is death in free society. How about if we put criminals into a 50 year coma instead? Is it okay to destroy them now?


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Necroplaya wrote:Against the DP full stop, also think all drugs sould be legalised.... Also I dont agree with the concept of nations and national identity.

How is an anarchic society going to support a prison system?

You started a facebook page to talk about how china, a country that executes more than the rest of the world combined annually might not be against capital punishment?

Classy. You are classy.

I'm for the death penalty in cases where the offense is extreme or the chance of rehabilitation is exceptionally low. Prison reform is much more important than killing prisoners though, until you realize where the hinges on the revolving door of western punishment is you can't fix it, and offing tones of people doesn't actually solve anything (as chinas growing crime, drug, and unrest statistics indicate).

Against the DP full stop, also think all drugs sould be legalised.... Also I dont agree with the concept of nations and national identity.

Bawwwwww, look at the cute anarchist.

There's the case of the 100 year old pedophile being released that has a lot of people pissed. Even at 100, the son of a bitch can still do damage.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/11/national/main5966563.shtml

How much damage? I mean seriously, if that guy does something stupid, and a parent catches him (how did they not know? HOW?) he is bound to get a smack that will put him out of his misery.

ONE. HUNDRED. YEARS. OLD. Have you any idea how old that actually is? He should have been sentenced to life, but the judge made a mistake, take up your angst with her (I think it was a lady Judge). Dude is not going anywhere fast, and those that actually are worried about what he could do, need only stay informed about his whereabouts... which are bound to stay quite limited in variation.

Oh... the OP...

Hmmm... to be perfectly honest I really don't care that much. I basically oppose the DP unless statistics show that enforcing it, actually reduces crime. When it comes to saying, 'Get rid of all of them', which is basically the sentiment I hear quite often; I simply can't take it seriously. If you want to save tax-payer money, work on rehabilitating criminals that actually stand a chance of recovery, instead of continuing a cycle that leads to career criminals using prisons as a vacation home. Well... not that nice, but it could definitely be much nicer than homelessness in a bad area.

Wrexasaur wrote:How much damage? I mean seriously, if that guy does something stupid, and a parent catches him (how did they not know? HOW?) he is bound to get a smack that will put him out of his misery.

ONE. HUNDRED. YEARS. OLD. Have you any idea how old that actually is? He should have been sentenced to life, but the judge made a mistake, take up your angst with her (I think it was a lady Judge). Dude is not going anywhere fast, and those that actually are worried about what he could do, need only stay informed about his whereabouts... which are bound to stay quite limited in variation.

Until you have studied about how children can be sexually molested or experienced the molestation of one of your children, you have no clue what you're talking about.
As the article stated, he was a grandfatherly type that was trusted. People like that use the trust they foster to get their victims to a place where they can perform whatever outrage takes their fancy. Sexual fondling can mess a kid up almost as much as an actual rape. A lot of times these peices of crap try to tell their victims they just imagined what happened or what happened was good, but should be kept "secret". Other times they just use fear or intimidation. It all depends on circumstances.

I'm for killing the whole lot.

I'm not really for the death penalty. not for any political reasons or because I'm a hippy, but more like feel like death for some crimes is too much of an easy way out and a far harsher penalty would be to be forced to spend your life locked in a cell 23 hours a day with a fat, tatooed cellmate named Bubba who will turn your butt into his own personal spooge receptacle every night.

Because Orkeo, being jailed for life is called 'punishment'. Death shouldnt be punishment, its more like a release then a punishment anyway. I think high security prisons, where the prisoner if put in isolation, for the rest of there life.

How can something be barbaric if it fails to even qualify as a punishment?

Ok so I have stated my opinons before in my beliefs of for capital punishment, but for those of you who have missed them AHH HMMM cough cough!!!!

First off we tape the persons mouth shut and string them up tightly. You will want the arms and legs to be tied down so as to not generate much kicking, and what could result in some nice person getting hurt. Once the person is well tied up hanging in the middle of the room the executioner will come in and take a black perminate marker to the criminals major arteries(however that is spelled). Then the family will be brought and and told they get to take turns cutting the guy wuith box cutters or razor blades, but they are not allowed to cut anywhere on or near the black lines. After about an hour or so the exectioner comes in and slits the dudes neck. All this should be viewed and sold on PPV for $29.99. I think the murder rate would drop.... HEAVILY. OO and yes I really do think this because to me if you commit a crime against god and humanity so severe you de3serve the death penalty then you have foregone all rights as a person since you took the life of another.I say kill them quickly after trial, and just to be nice give their family a $5.00 bucks you know, for their trouble.

Executing terrorists is stupid, as its works against the ultimate goal of putting a stop to terrorism. Given that, I don't see how any Western nation can reasonably expect to make use of the death penalty in cases where the offender is a citizen. At least not without a great deal of negative sentiment being directed at the state.

Orkeosaurus wrote:How can something be barbaric if it fails to even qualify as a punishment of any sort?

Depends on the punishment.

Empchild wrote:Ok so I have stated my opinons before in my beliefs of for capital punishment, but for those of you who have missed them AHH HMMM cough cough!!!!

First off we tape the persons mouth shut and string them up tightly. You will want the arms and legs to be tied down so as to not generate much kicking, and what could result in some nice person getting hurt. Once the person is well tied up hanging in the middle of the room the executioner will come in and take a black perminate marker to the criminals major arteries(however that is spelled). Then the family will be brought and and told they get to take turns cutting the guy wuith box cutters or razor blades, but they are not allowed to cut anywhere on or near the black lines. After about an hour or so the exectioner comes in and slits the dudes neck. All this should be viewed and sold on PPV for $29.99. I think the murder rate would drop.... HEAVILY. OO and yes I really do think this because to me if you commit a crime against god and humanity so severe you de3serve the death penalty then you have foregone all rights as a person since you took the life of another.I say kill them quickly after trial, and just to be nice give their family a $5.00 bucks you know, for their trouble.

You sound like someone that wants to move to china.

Relapse wrote:
Until you have studied about how children can be sexually molested or experienced the molestation of one of your children, you have no clue what you're talking about.
As the article stated, he was a grandfatherly type that was trusted.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/11/national/main5966563.shtml wrote:Sypnier was released on parole in 2007, only to be returned to prison in 2008 after failing to attend sex-offender counseling. He completed his term in November and will be on parole through 2012. Until then, he's forbidden from using e-mail, chat rooms or social networking sites, hanging around playgrounds or schools, or spending time in bars.

Instead, he spends his days watching television, cooking, socializing in the halfway house and attending programming, King said.

Sypnier's new address has not been disclosed, but the law requires him to enter it in the state's sex offender registry.

Although his age makes him New York's oldest registered sex offender, there is at least one older offender elsewhere. Bert Jackson of Utah is 103 and living under home confinement.

Home confinement, problem solved.

'Not knowing' the inner workings of a Pedo-bear, has very little bearing on the fact that this guy is a century old, and the grease in his bones is drying up quick. There are a million and a half ways for both parents, and authorities, to effectively keep this guy from causing any more harm. Belittling what knowledge you think I have, changes none of those possibilities.

And yes, at the age of one hundred years old, along with a huge media following (that is likely to wain along with the outrage, and has already begun to do so.), any parent (ANY PARENT) should have the knowledge, and reasoning skills to keep a person like that out of their lives. Creepy old Grandpa comes up at the Grocery store and tries to make in with your family... Nice try fella', I have no seat at my table for you.