So, are we actually pro Capital punishment or not?

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**Frazzled**

Relapse wrote:
Wrexasaur wrote:How much damage? I mean seriously, if that guy does something stupid, and a parent catches him (how did they not know? HOW?) he is bound to get a smack that will put him out of his misery.

ONE. HUNDRED. YEARS. OLD. Have you any idea how old that actually is? He should have been sentenced to life, but the judge made a mistake, take up your angst with her (I think it was a lady Judge). Dude is not going anywhere fast, and those that actually are worried about what he could do, need only stay informed about his whereabouts... which are bound to stay quite limited in variation.

Until you have studied about how children can be sexually molested or experienced the molestation of one of your children, you have no clue what you're talking about.
As the article stated, he was a grandfatherly type that was trusted. People like that use the trust they foster to get their victims to a place where they can perform whatever outrage takes their fancy. Sexual fondling can mess a kid up almost as much as an actual rape. A lot of times these peices of crap try to tell their victims they just imagined what happened or what happened was good, but should be kept "secret". Other times they just use fear or intimidation. It all depends on circumstances.

I'm for killing the whole lot.

Word.

**Mannahnin**

A whole lot of people have been exonerated by evidence which came to light later. Especially since the introduction of DNA evidence.

If you lock a person up for life in error, a monumental injustice has still occurred, but there remains a chance that they will eventually be exonerated. If they are executed, there is no such chance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation

**Relapse**

@Wrex,

By your comments, it seems like you don't have the knowledge.
I have had both occasion to study these people and have had experience with them. I can tell you from both, that a lot of these people are dangerous predators that can camaflauge themselves well enough to work into positions of trust where they can strike. The guy in an overcoat handing out candy in a playground is only a part of number of this kind of scum.
The man in the article is 100 years old, but is an outlyer for the physical capabilities of that age group. I had a great uncle, who at 98, was still out digging irrigation ditches and had never been sick a day in his life.

**ShumaGorath**

Word.

Because clearly being emotionally involved makes you better able to make rational decisions.

By your comments, it seems like you don't have the knowledge.
I have had both occasion to study these people and have had experience with them. I can tell you from both, that a lot of these people are dangerous predators that can camaflauge themselves well enough to work into positions of trust where they can strike. The guy in an overcoat handing out candy in a playground is only a part of number of this kind of scum.
The man in the article is 100 years old, but is an outlyer for the physical capabilities of that age group. I had a great uncle, who at 98, was still out digging irrigation ditches and had never been sick a day in his life.

Then do a better job rehabilitating them. Honestly the answers are pretty god damn easy to come by, people just don't want to bother when throwing criminals into a giant box with eachother works so damn well now.

**Orkeosaurus**

Lord-Loss wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:How can something be barbaric if it fails to even qualify as a punishment of any sort?

Depends on the punishment.

I said "of any sort", although I'm not really sure what it is you're trying to say here.

Either death is worse than life in prison and the sentence will instill more fear into people or death is better than life in prison and it's less barbaric. It can't be both more barbaric and less painful. Unless you're just using "barbaric" to mean "bad".

**JEB_Stuart**

Since the DP doesn't really accomplish our goal in regards to Islamic Terrorists I propose the following: Give them a sex change, wrap them in pigskin and send them home.

**Wrexasaur**

Relapse wrote:@Wrex,

By your comments, it seems like you don't have the knowledge.
I have had both occasion to study these people and have had experience with them. I can tell you from both, that a lot of these people are dangerous predators that can camaflauge themselves well enough to work into positions of trust where they can strike. The guy in an overcoat handing out candy in a playground is only a part of number of this kind of scum.
The man in the article is 100 years old, but is an outlyer for the physical capabilities of that age group. I had a great uncle, who at 98, was still out digging irrigation ditches and had never been sick a day in his life.

So we have a super-human centenarian, who by all measures, should be amongst the most manageable offenders ever... on the face of the whole planet. This super-human centenarian is so freaking ninja-like, that taking measures to actually stop him, are all in vain. No action can stop this Juggernaut of a man, no power can stand up to his super-human might.

I mean really though, it just sounds like people don't know how to do their jobs, or don't care to.

**dogma**

Orkeosaurus wrote:It can't be both more barbaric and less painful. Unless you're just using "barbaric" to mean "bad".

Barbaric just means relatively wild, or uncivilized. A punishment can be more barbaric in that its based entirely on an emotional response, and less painful in that, were emotion not the driving force, a more painful response could be formulated. Though I don't think that's what Lord-loss was trying to say.

**Relapse**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Word.

Because clearly being emotionally involved makes you better able to make rational decisions.

By your comments, it seems like you don't have the knowledge.
I have had both occasion to study these people and have had experience with them. I can tell you from both, that a lot of these people are dangerous predators that can camaflauge themselves well enough to work into positions of trust where they can strike. The guy in an overcoat handing out candy in a playground is only a part of number of this kind of scum.
The man in the article is 100 years old, but is an outlyer for the physical capabilities of that age group. I had a great uncle, who at 98, was still out digging irrigation ditches and had never been sick a day in his life.

Then do a better job rehabilitating them. Honestly the answers are pretty god damn easy to come by, people just don't want to bother when throwing criminals into a giant box with eachother works so damn well now.

You really don't seem to understand when I say these guys can camaflauge themselves. They can tell a parole board anything they want to hear and point to being a model prisoner as proof of their right to release. Not much opportunity to rape children while locked in PC, though, so of course there havn't been any offenses.
Watch to Hell out when they get released, though.

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Wrexasaur wrote:
Relapse wrote:@Wrex,

By your comments, it seems like you don't have the knowledge.
I have had both occasion to study these people and have had experience with them. I can tell you from both, that a lot of these people are dangerous predators that can camaflauge themselves well enough to work into positions of trust where they can strike. The guy in an overcoat handing out candy in a playground is only a part of number of this kind of scum.
The man in the article is 100 years old, but is an outlyer for the physical capabilities of that age group. I had a great uncle, who at 98, was still out digging irrigation ditches and had never been sick a day in his life.

So we have a super-human centenarian, who by all measures, should be amongst the most manageable offenders ever... on the face of the whole planet. This super-human centenarian is so freaking ninja-like, that taking measures to actually stop him, are all in vain. No action can stop this Juggernaut of a man, no power can stand up to his super-human might.

I mean really though, it just sounds like people don't know how to do their jobs, or don't care to.

Easy to say until it's your kid that gets molested.

**Wrexasaur**

Easy to say when people are not doing their jobs...

Judge makes a huge mistake, and every parent in the country needs to worry? No... we need to worry about the fact that a person like this is considered unstoppable (giving the archetype the power that they crave); we need to worry about why it is so difficult for professionals to actually accomplish something worthwhile. House arrest indefinitely, supervision if needed.

These things are not that complicated, and being apathetic about our prospects in dealing with such issues is just irresponsible.

**dogma**

Relapse wrote:
Easy to say until it's your kid that gets molested.

Yes, it is. That doesn't mean any given person should judge any possible child molester as though he might have molested their child. That's pretty much precisely what the justice system is set up to avoid. It doesn't exist to be your personal catharsis machine.

**Frazzled**

Wrexasaur wrote:Easy to say when people are not doing their jobs...

You can't reform pedofiles.

**ShumaGorath**

Since the DP doesn't really accomplish our goal in regards to Islamic Terrorists I propose the following: Give them a sex change, wrap them in pigskin and send them home.

There's a reason no one is rushing to have you as a foreign security advisor.

You really don't seem to understand when I say these guys can camaflauge themselves. They can tell a parole board anything they want to hear and point to being a model prisoner as proof of their right to release. Not much opportunity to rape children while locked in PC, though, so of course there havn't been any offenses.
Watch to Hell out when they get released, though.

Hyperbolic fearmongering! And without supporting evidence or even arguments! Wonderful.

Easy to say until it's your kid that gets molested.

WATCH YOUR KIDS DAWG, UNCLE RELAPSE WARNED US A PEDOS ON THE LOOSE!

You can't reform pedofiles.

Incorrect, they just have a higher rate of repeat offense once released, meaning that measures need to be taken in ensuring rehabilitation (and watching those released to make sure they don't re offend). Both of which are already done. It's not as if sexual assault against minors is on the rise or is above an acceptable level, though you guys sure seem to make it seem that way.

**Frazzled**

One immediately can tell Shuma has no kids or he would shut the feth up.

**Relapse**

The point of what I'm saying is that there are people that will never be able to be rehabilitated and all evedence says that even at 100, this guy should never be allowed to walk the streets no matter what people think his capabilities for molestation are.

@Wrex, I have to say this to you, when you have kids, guard them close, because with your preconceptions of what people can and can't do, you will have an incident to deal with otherwise.

**ShumaGorath**

Frazzled wrote:One immediately can tell Shuma has no kids or he would shut the feth up.

I don't have any kids, it's true, and I'm glad you can make such a concise and compelling argument with that information in hand.

The point of what I'm saying is that there are people that will never be able to be rehabilitated and all evedence says that 100, this guy should never be allowed to walk the streets no matter what people think his capabilities for molestation are.

Oddly enough, I actually agree with you. Had you managed to state your opinions in such a way earlier I wouldn't have disagreed (well not in the same way). Your arguing about capability was pretty poor though, you should have used the concept of unreformed but incapable still being unreformed (though judging by the other article posted he may well have reformed, once again putting this into the camp of none of our fething business).

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Frazzled wrote:One immediately can tell Shuma has no kids or he would shut the feth up.

I don't have any kids, it's true, and I'm glad you can make such a concise and compelling argument with that information in hand.

its brilliance was quite astounding wasn't it.

**JD21290**

He has a point shuma.
Having a different viewpoint on a discussion alters what you will say on the topic.
If the topic is about this kind of thing, then people who do have kids will respond alot more harshly towards it.

Now, i have no kids, but i still think a pedo should be executed in public.

**dogma**

Frazzled wrote:
You can't reform pedofiles.

If it is indeed comparable to homosexuality, and if homosexuality is indeed a genetically determined behavior, then this is true. That being said, not all child molesters are pedophiles.

Frazzled wrote:One immediately can tell Shuma has no kids or he would shut the feth up.

Since when did emotional proximity to an issue make you a more qualified judge of appropriate punishment?

**Frazzled**

JD21290 wrote:He has a point shuma.
Having a different viewpoint on a discussion alters what you will say on the topic.
If the topic is about this kind of thing, then people who do have kids will respond alot more harshly towards it.

Now, i have no kids, but i still think a pedo should be executed in public.

Plus I just realize your avatar may start seizures the world over. Excellent!

**Lint**

Necros wrote:I'm not really for the death penalty. not for any political reasons or because I'm a hippy, but more like feel like death for some crimes is too much of an easy way out and a far harsher penalty would be to be forced to spend your life locked in a cell 23 hours a day with a fat, tatooed cellmate named Bubba who will turn your butt into his own personal spooge receptacle every night.

Why should the society this person has damaged continue to pay for their "punishment?" Who's to say that the punishment is even working? Sometimes these people feel no remorse for their actions, even after years of "punishment." Charlie Manson comes to mind. I don't see the dp as a punishment, it's more like justice. We shouldn't be concerned so much with "making criminals pay" so we can feel better about ourselves.

**ShumaGorath**

Having a different viewpoint on a discussion alters what you will say on the topic.
If the topic is about this kind of thing, then people who do have kids will respond alot more harshly towards it.

Hence why these cases are decided by a jury of impartial peers and not the local PTA.

**Relapse**

ShumaGorath wrote:[
Easy to say until it's your kid that gets molested.

WATCH YOUR KIDS DAWG, UNCLE RELAPSE WARNED US A PEDOS ON THE LOOSE!

As someone who had a 3 year old molested in what was supposed to be a guarded enviorment, I will tell people there are pedos on the loose. I had to edit this a couple of times to make a more civil response to your ignorance.

**Wrexasaur**

Relapse wrote:The point of what I'm saying is that there are people that will never be able to be rehabilitated and all evedence says that even at 100, this guy should never be allowed to walk the streets no matter what people think his capabilities for molestation are.

@Wrex, I have to say this to you, when you have kids, guard them close, because with your preconceptions of what people can and can't do, you will have an incident to deal with otherwise.

My children are going to get molested by a stranger because of what I have said in this thread? A paranoid mind could almost take that as a threat of sorts...

Anyway... By your logic, all of the children in my immediate family should be scared gakless by this mans presence. No... not at all. This guy is scum, I will not give him anymore power.

**Lint**

dogma wrote:Since when did emotional proximity to an issue make you a more qualified judge of appropriate punishment?

Internet winz!

**Frazzled**

hardly

**JD21290**

Plus I just realize your avatar may start seizures the world over. Excellent!

I try my best

Hence why these cases are decided by a jury of impartial peers and not the local PTA.

Bollocks shuma, no such thing as impartial in a jury.
You will find most jury are middle class people who have a family.
When something to do with a pedo comes up in trial he is fethed.

**Mannahnin**

Orkeosaurus wrote:
Lord-Loss wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:How can something be barbaric if it fails to even qualify as a punishment of any sort?

Depends on the punishment.
I said "of any sort", although I'm not really sure what it is you're trying to say here.

Either death is worse than life in prison and the sentence will instill more fear into people or death is better than life in prison and it's less barbaric. It can't be both more barbaric and less painful. Unless you're just using "barbaric" to mean "bad".

I think he could possibly have expressed himself more clearly, but I think I get basically the idea.

a) People who commit murder, by and large, are either not thinking about the consequences OR think they can get away with it. Compare our murder rate with those of other Western countries without the death penalty. It doesn’t seem to be an effective deterrent.
b) From a philosophical standpoint, many people do find it abhorrent for our government (expressing our collective will) to kill people. It’s not necessary, in many cases the wrong person has been convicted and killed, and in many cases it seems to be done more out of a desire for cathartic revenge, than for justice.

**Relapse**

Wrexasaur wrote:
Relapse wrote:The point of what I'm saying is that there are people that will never be able to be rehabilitated and all evedence says that even at 100, this guy should never be allowed to walk the streets no matter what people think his capabilities for molestation are.

@Wrex, I have to say this to you, when you have kids, guard them close, because with your preconceptions of what people can and can't do, you will have an incident to deal with otherwise.

My children are going to get molested by a stranger because of what I have said in this thread? A paranoid mind could almost take that as a threat of sorts...

Anyway... By your logic, all of the children in my immediate family should be scared gakless by this mans presence. No... not at all. This guy is scum, I will not give him anymore power.

No, definitly not a threat. I have seen first hand the heartache of what happens in these cases and it's not something I would wish on anyone. It's just that you are too sure of what people are not capable of and this makes you vulnerable.

**ShumaGorath**

Relapse wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:[
Easy to say until it's your kid that gets molested.

WATCH YOUR KIDS DAWG, UNCLE RELAPSE WARNED US A PEDOS ON THE LOOSE!

As someone who had a 3 year old molested in what was supposed to be a guarded enviorment, I will tell people there are pedos on the loose. I had to edit this a couple of times to make a more civil response to your ignorance.

My ignorance? Of what? Your family history? I'm sorry you think that being strongly involved emotionally somehow makes you more capable of making rational decisions concerning the situation.