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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 02:22:12
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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I had this trick pulled on me recently at my local.
Land speeder storm deepstrike within 6" of my CSM with icon of nurgle. Opponent then opens up with a boltgun line at me and begins counting 4+ as wounds. I object and he says Jamming beacon on Land speeder states that "....Chaos icons...do not function within 6" of a Land speeder storm" and thus the +1T from the icon is negated."
I decided not to argue the point as I suspected he was TFG, and lost the unit.
Did I get shafted?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 02:26:11
Subject: Re:Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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You didn't get shafted on the 4+ to wound part. As Strength 4 on Toughness 4 you need 4s. But I think the jamming beacon makes them role 3d6 for deep striking units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 02:29:00
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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SMforbreakfast wrote:I had this trick pulled on me recently at my local. Land speeder storm deepstrike within 6" of my CSM with icon of nurgle. Opponent then opens up with a boltgun line at me and begins counting 4+ as wounds. I object and he says Jamming beacon on Land speeder states that "....Chaos icons...do not function within 6" of a Land speeder storm" and thus the +1T from the icon is negated." I decided not to argue the point as I suspected he was TFG, and lost the unit. Did I get shafted?
He was TFG. Only the Deep Strike ability of the Icon is stopped. They still have the +1T You left out the whole rule: Teleport homers, Chaos Icons and similar wargear items that prevent deep strike scatter do not function within 6" of a Land Speeder Storm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 02:37:04
Subject: Re:Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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I totally agree with your interpretation of the rule Gwar.
His argument was that:
-Teleport homers dont work
-Chaos icons dont work
-Similar wargear items that prevent deep strike scatter don't work
these were 3 different stipulations for the rule, and that if any other item of wargear that prevented deep strike had an additional rule that it also would not take effect. Unfortunately 3 people in the store agreed with his interpretation....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 02:40:27
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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All 4 people in your example are idiots and should be punished with nails and hot glue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 02:42:13
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Sneaky Kommando
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Yep, it sounds like you got the shaft.
Just to play devil's advocate though, the rule says that those items do not function. The guy very likely was a TFG, but he could've also just been taking a very literal interpretaion of the rule. I guess the rule could be written, "Teleport homers, Chaos Icons and similar wargear items that prevent deep strike scatter do not function within 6" of a Land Speeder Storm when used to prevent deep strike scattering." (Italicized portion is mine)
However, that sounds very redundant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 03:24:13
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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Yeah the way how it worded is totally up to interpretation, i would say it stops the funtion of the Icon, homer and what ever else that deep strikes...
( now question is does that include veil of darkness and gate)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 03:42:33
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Proud Phantom Titan
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Ok Icon doesn't work but all models are given a Mark, then answer should be that they still have their mark even if the Icon isn't working ... the rule is they have it till the icon bearer is killed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 04:05:32
Subject: Re:Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ah Tri, I like it!
If he tries to pull that again I'll use that argument
Now where is my hot glue......?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 04:07:22
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Beaten, but yea, all the jamming did would be to force you to roll to scatter if you had a unit deepstrike nearby.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/01/09 06:31:01
Subject: Land Speeder Storm and Chaos Icons
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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I would never even dream of playing this way, but I think what the guy mentioned in the OP is actually correct RAW, it quite plainly states that Chaos Icons don't work within 6" of a Land Speeder Storm.
edit: Having read Tri's response he is correct, they have been given the mark, and nothing says they lose it except for the death of the model with the Icon.
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