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So unfortunately my buddy has gotten himself uninterested in playing 40k anymore, an upside to this is that I just got hooked up with a pile of minis heh. (is this wrong/greedy? haha)

I got a good lot of Noise Marines, but Im not really sure how exactly to set a list up for them. Ive seen lots of Lash Princes/Lash Sorcerers and that's all well and fine, but I dont necessarily want to rely on that. Im not trying to win tournaments with these.

Here's what Ive got!

Chaos Lord: Power Weapon(or Daemon Weapon)/Plasma Pistol, Power Armor
Chaos Lord: Power Fist(or Daemon Weapon)/Plasma Pistol, Power Armor

x17 Marines w/ Sonic Blasters
x8 Marines w/ Blast Masters
x1 Champion w/ Twin Lightning Claws
x1 Champion w/ Power Fist/Bolt Pistol
x7 Champions w/ Power Weapons/Bolt Pistols
x5 Daemonettes (Lesser Daemons)

I must confess, this army hasnt seen action since mid 4th edition, and I havent used them since before that.

I can support what's there with at least x2 Rhinos, A Vindicator, x2 Predator Destructors, I thought I could use 4 of the Blast Master armed Marines and 1 Sonic Blaster Marine as a psuedo Havok squad and just do a "counts as" lascannons or autocannons or whatever.....

I was trying to read some posts, but wasnt seeing much in Tactics or anything, can anyone offer some assistance with this? Id love to get these guys back on the field!

Thanks!
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Noise marines work best (imo) as follows:
8 noise marines, 7 sonic blasters, champ w/ pf(w), sonic blaster, doom sirenmounted in a rhino. This is your assaulty build, and it does it very well.

5 noise marines, blastmaster in rhino w/ havoc launcher. This is your objective sitting long range squad, and it does a good job of it as well.

If you are running slaneesh, a lash prince or sorcerer is a natural fit. I would run one of each personally. Give the sorcerer wings so he can jump to another squad if needed.

Since you aren't going for competitive, the predators and vindicator will be fine.

I would also run 10 csm with IoS, 2 x melta, champ w/pf(w) in a rhino for tank control.

One thing I was curious about, doesnt it seem a waste to put Power Fists on I5 models? I guess you'd be stuck against high toughness opponents, so maybe not.....lol

Anyone have any 500, 750 or 1000pt lists they can post? Im trying to get some ideas for how a pure Emperor's Children/Slaaneshi Marine army would look.

Also, I do have a Daemon Prince, but no wings. He should still be a pretty big threat right?

Thanks!
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Trogdor the Burninator wrote:One thing I was curious about, doesnt it seem a waste to put Power Fists on I5 models? I guess you'd be stuck against high toughness opponents, so maybe not.....lol

I've gone back and forth on this issue. Part of me wants the safety of having a hidden Fist in the squad and another part feels that it is a waste of I5.
If you don't take the Fist, you'll need to get some anti-tank and anti-MC elsewhere.

Also, I do have a Daemon Prince, but no wings. He should still be a pretty big threat right?

I don't think so really. Standard logic for Chaos is you need Wings. Another option would be to take him as GD if you want.

Does anyone else have any input, ideas or lists they've used to start?

Like I said, I dont have wings for my Daemon Prince, so Im sure that means I cant use it, right? It'll never work without wings, right?

Thanks all!
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Hes great cannon fodder.... but all DPs are. If you utilize cover to your advantage they are still a hell of a threat. I think they also work best in pairs so if one gets taken out early the other still might have a chance of doing damage. If you take him with WT and just run him from cover to cover you should be able to get good use out of him. Also buying some wings off a bitz store can solve your problem real quick.

As a current Noise Marine player i can tell you that having the sonic blasters in a rhino will be not result in them making their points back, the DP is a great tool if used correctly and the lord with power armor and plasma pistol, i would suggest removing. Investing in a termy squad and the DP as your melee, both have great skill in CC but again just options. i still would strongly recommend getting rid of the 2 lords, they can be instant killed.

Trogdor the Burninator wrote:So unfortunately my buddy has gotten himself uninterested in playing 40k anymore, an upside to this is that I just got hooked up with a pile of minis heh. (is this wrong/greedy? haha)
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I'd just say opportunistic. If the models are not going to get used, you might as well grab them.

Inigo Montoya wrote:
8 noise marines, 7 sonic blasters, champ w/ pf(w), sonic blaster, doom sirenmounted in a rhino. This is your assaulty build, and it does it very well.

These guys will not accomplish your mission unless you support them with Bezerkers, or a character of some sort. They can certainly melee well, but they're nothing amazing on their own. I prefer Bezerkers for my CC threat.

Inigo Montoya wrote:
5 noise marines, blastmaster in rhino w/ havoc launcher. This is your objective sitting long range squad, and it does a good job of it as well.

I agree. These guys work very well. A Predator with Havoc launcher, 2 H.bolt and autocannon is good to add as a support if you go this route.

Inigo Montoya wrote:
I would also run 10 csm with IoS, 2 x melta, champ w/pf(w) in a rhino for tank control.

I like this squad. If you really want a dedicated to tank control unit, It'll be a chosen squad with 4 meltas.

Trogdor the Burninator wrote:One thing I was curious about, doesnt it seem a waste to put Power Fists on I5 models? I guess you'd be stuck against high toughness opponents, so maybe not.....lol

I think the PF is not the best choice. I like to take advantage of the high initiative with a PW. It's not a clear cut case of one better than the other, as it wll eventaully boil down to personal preference.

So, for my first list, I was going to shoot for 750pts, just to make painting a doable goal (time contraints and all of the real world) and still get a decent force on the table.

HQ-
Daemon Prince: MoS, Lash of Submission.

Troops-
Noise Marines: x6, Noise Champion w/Power Weapon, Doom Siren, x5 Sonic Blasters, x1 Blast Master, Rhino w/ Havok Launcher.
Noise Marines: x6, Noise Champion w/Power Weapon, x5 Sonic Blasters, x1 Blast Master.

Heavy Support-
Chaos Vindicator.

It seems pretty good, low numbers sure, but its got a pretty solid HQ, high volume of shooting and a nice pie plate to drop.

I thought about running a 5 man Noise Marine squad with all Sonic Blasters instead of the Vindicator, but Im not sure.
I was going to do a Lord w/ MoS, Daemon Weapon, and Plasma Pistol or Sorcerer w/ MoS, LoS and a Daemonic Steed but the Prince is actually cheaper, weird.


Ideas that may not involve totally overhauling the entire list?
Thanks!
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Looks alright except the sonic blasters mixed with the blast master they dont mesh well together i say for this list take the blast master with normal noise marines then use the remaining points to fill out these squads. It makes more sense to keep the BM since you are going to coral the army and drop pie plates on them. Last since you have one already put another havoc launcher on the other rhino. Word of caution protect that prince your list relies heavily on it keep him behind cover and rhinos.

Trogdor the Burninator wrote:
Ideas that may not involve totally overhauling the entire list?
Thanks!
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HQ: Daemon Prince: MoS, Fzorgle.

Troops:
Noise Marines x8, x8 Sonic Blasters, Rhino
Noise Marines x8, x7 Sonic Blasters, x1 Blast master

HS:
Chaos Vindicator, Possession

I'd go for this. if I interpreted your post, you asked for this kind of tweaking. Generally the lists are the same. The champ is out, because you need bodies on the table. the havoc launcher is out, because possession on a vindi is better. The lash prince should either bunch units for the template, or push back assaulters. I'd try and use those nasty sonic guns to best advantage.

just my take on it.


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Vindicator#9 wrote:Looks alright except the sonic blasters mixed with the blast master they dont mesh well together i say for this list take the blast master with normal noise marines then use the remaining points to fill out these squads. It makes more sense to keep the BM since you are going to coral the army and drop pie plates on them. Last since you have one already put another havoc launcher on the other rhino. Word of caution protect that prince your list relies heavily on it keep him behind cover and rhinos.

This is all good advice as well. I would recommend you split the blastmaster from the sonic blaster too. I just looked at at models you have, and saw all of them with sonic weapons, so didn't do that in my list.

With Slaaneshi Marines, I've been thinking about 3 types of troops to take.

1) Anti-tank/MC = 10 CSMs, 2 Meltaguns, Power Fist, Combi-Melta (optional) Icon of Slaanesh, Rhino = 265-275

2) Anti-infantry = 9 NM, Power Weapon, Doom Siren, 8 Sonic Blasters, Rhino = 300

3) Fire support/objective camping = 7 NM, Blastmaster, 6 Sonic Blasters = 210

Each squad has a dedicated role with enough overlap that they can work together as backup for other squads.

Tactically Squad 3 would be dumping firepower into transports, MCs or exposed infantry at max range while guarding an objective. If they have to move, I don't lose all of my firepower which is nice. Squad 1 and 2 advance on the enemy taking out tanks and infantry respectively. Either one could claim an objective and hold it if need be.

Does this make sense and does this sound competitive?

Thanks iboshi and minigun has the right idea also he broke it down for you and divvyed up what each squad can do best. He also reminded me if you have bolter toting NMs you can use them for "count as" regular CSMs.

Iboshi2, I really like that much better! It seemed as though the points spent on the Champions didnt really do much for the squads. THIS is a lot of fire power! lol.

So, the squad with the Blast Master gets into 24" range to utilize the Heavy 3 of the Sonic Blasters and the Heavy 1 of the Blast Master for potential tank hunting then, while the Sonic Blaster moves ahead in their rhino (giving the Prince cover) and goes for out-of-deployment objective grabbing infantry hunting? While the Prince, grabbing cover as much as possible, utilizes the Lash to move enemy squads around, disrupting plans, and potentially getting himself into HTH as quickly as possible, while the Vindicator shoots anything in range!

Sound about right?

Thanks all replies!
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I believe that is exactly what Iboshi2 was talking about, he tends to know exactly how to make a good fire support army as well as most any others, so yes you have the exact idea of what he was attempting to convey in my opinion, the prince will also vastly benefit from wings, the threat range of 36 inches on the lash (12 move range 24) also adds for quite the pain

Anyone else have any ideas for this army? Maybe towards the 500-750pts game range to start?

Im not overly concerned about the Prince having wings to be honest, if he does he does, if not Ill just learn to play around it, maybe by adding a Sorcerer and tag-teaming (how appropriately Slaaneshi! lol) the enemy.

Anyways, Im not really up on this kind of army, so feedback or tactica links or whatever would be awesome!

Thanks!
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I highly recommend slapping doomsiren's on at least 2 squads and decked with sonic blaster's for objective snatchers.

Can anyone recommend anything along the lines of 500pts that would still be a viable Slaaneshi/Emperor's Children army?

Thanks!
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HQ: Daemon Prince: MoS, Fzorgle.

Troops:
Noise Marines x8, x8 Sonic Blasters, Rhino
Noise Marines x8, x7 Sonic Blasters, x1 Blast master

HS:
Chaos Vindicator, Possession

I found that shooty Slaaneshi units don't cut it.
I'd mount both units into Rhinos and let both units be led by an AC with doom siren.

If you were putting something like that together for 750pts, how would you set it up? Ill probably be fighting Orks, Black Templar, Nurgle heavy Chaos or Imp. Guard.

Thanks!
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My 2 second list:

Winged Lash Prince What else...
2 Oblits.
10 CSM, IoS, 1 Melta, 1 Flamer, Champ + Fist, Rhino.
5 Noise Marines, BlastMaster, Rhino.

I mean there's not much Chaos can do at 750...might as well go with whatever IMO.

Thanks everyone who replied! All the ideas have been very useful, and hopefully Ill scrap a win or two out with these guys lol

Thanks!
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Trogdor the Burninator wrote:Anyone else have any ideas for this army? Maybe towards the 500-750pts game range to start?

Hi Trogdor,

I just recently started my own low-points Slaanesh CSM force, so I've been mulling over the same kinds of decisions that you have. My list can be found here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/274053.page

It contains Raptors, which a lot of people weren't fond of, but I've included them because I've spend two weeks converting winged assault marines so I'm bloody well going to use them, hahah!

Hope it's a help.