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Im looking to run a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne, and was kicking around the idea of the Bloodfeeder, Im not trying to win tournaments, just friendly games, and I think this could be devastating even with halfway decent rolls for # of attacks. What Im curious about is whether any of you have had luck with running any of the following:

Lord on foot, Power Armor, Bloodfeeder, in rhino w/squad, other upgrades.
Lord on foot, Terminator Armor, Bloodfeeder, other upgrades
Lord on Juggernaut, Bloodfeeder, other upgrades
Lord on Bike, Bloodfeeder, other upgrades
Lord with Jump Pack, Bloodfeeder, other upgrades

I thought that converting a Lord on Juggernaut would be pretty sweet, especially with that new Jugger model, but I was just looking for feed back as far as the Khorne Lord w/ Bloodfeeder and whatever other set ups have worked for you all.

I realize there are probably better weapons for this guy to maximize his killing potential, but Im not really shooting for that here, so please dont offer the "just take a daemon prince w/ MoN, Warptime, and Nurgles's Rot" or "Lash Pricne" or anything like that.

Thanks!
T-

Not the bloodfeeder, sorry. A 1/3 chance to take a wound? And then you get 11 S4 PW attacks (avg)? Not worth it.
Taking into account the 1/3 do nothing...
7.333 Attacks avg.
4.888 hits avg.
2.444 MEQ kills avg.

The best way to run a Khlord is:
MoK, Wings, LCs, Combi

5 Attacks
3.333 hits avg.
2.5 MEQ kills avg.

Better. And cheaper than all of your stuff (except the naked feeder lord, but seriously? No Wings, no combi?).

Jugger is not worth it-a T4(5) model outside a rhino w/ no unit attached? Dead. Unit attached? Huh, it's dead too.

Wings, a combi, and a rhino ride are mandatory for Lords.

Competitively there is really only 1 way to run a Khorne Lord
2x LC + Wings + Mark of Khorne

Put him in a Rhino with Berzerkers and he supplies some nasty I5 attacks.

The math on the Bloodfeeder has been done multiple times. The chance to roll a 1 on 2 dice is around 30%. That means that you are NOT attacking at all and 2/3 of the time you're taking a Wound.

If you must play with the Bloodfeeder, then use the same build as above but replace the LC with it

Competitively, there's actually only 1 real way to run a khorne lord, and it hasn't been mentioned yet:

Counts-as-kharn.

willydstyle wrote:Competitively, there's actually only 1 real way to run a khorne lord, and it hasn't been mentioned yet:

Counts-as-kharn.

And then turn him into a DP, MoN, Wings or Lasher?

FAWR: 2 Daemon Princes with wings!!
_______

That aside, Lord, MoK, Pair of Claws...is pretty much it.
Keep it lean and mean, throw him in a cult squad in a rhino.

Not much else really.

I usually take my Khorne Lord with a Bloodfeeder and Jetpack. On a smallish board in smallish games he can deploy near the enemy and move across cover and terrain and give a very big surprise to some poor lonely unit!

Also, you have to remember that as long as he doesn't roll a 1 you are looking at a minimum of 9 attacks on the charge. Striking at I5, S4, WS6 with a Power Weapon, 9 attacks is insane from one guy. Sure you may hit yourself in the face (you have 3 wounds and an invul anyway) but if you don't you are looking at up to 17 attacks! That is enough to decimate any squad out there.

A Bloodfeeder is really fun to use and when it works is easily the best DW around. If you are gonna use this lord, don't waste him on an elite CC squad. They will just beat him up, he'll do less to them, and those 1's will really really hurt. I use mine on squads of basic marines and Necron warriors to great effect because even if he does hit himself, the chances of them hitting back hard are pretty slim. And if he doesn't it is an important unit gone. Use the wings to get him to attack squads not on the front line who weren't expecting CC and he will tear them to shreds.

Lightning claws are much more reliable than a Bloodfeeder. Kharn works really well with a unit of possessed since their Inv save minimizes his betrayer tendencies.

@Whitedragon:

The problem I have with IC's with Possessed is that it wastes 2 of the powers on the Daemonkin table if they stay with the possessed into combat.

I rather have possessed run w/o an IC attached and chill with the ability to use their abilities to the max.

@Madgod:

It's actually High Risk for Medium Rewards.
Average of 12 attacks, 6 hits, then 3 wounds.
It's decent, but decimate is too strong of a word for that kind of damage for the price tag IMO.

Sanctjud wrote:@Whitedragon:

The problem I have with IC's with Possessed is that it wastes 2 of the powers on the Daemonkin table if they stay with the possessed into combat.

I rather have possessed run w/o an IC attached and chill with the ability to use their abilities to the max.

@Madgod:

It's actually High Risk for Medium Rewards.
Average of 12 attacks, 6 hits, then 3 wounds.
It's decent, but decimate is too strong of a word for that kind of damage for the price tag IMO.

Since "decimate" actually means "to reduce by ten percent" I think it's spot-on

When I see a CSM lord, I note it as a threat.
When I see 2 DP with wings, I start to sweat.

@willydstyle:
Good to know.
At face value and 'RAW' () he would be more than correct.
But I take it his 'RAI' () was that the Feeder was enough to kill squads <-- this is what I do not agree with.
Str 4 (outside of getting a juggy) is underwhelming.

@labmouse42:
Epic!

I guess I should rethink my post title, and just try to get some feedback on what I was actually looking for in that.

Again, I realize that Lighting Claws are a safer, better bet, but that's not what I asked about at all.

I appreciate the replies, but they seem off topic.

I was more interested in build success that people have had involving a Khorne Lord w/ Bloodfeeder and whatever else I noted above.

Thanks
T-

Trogdor the Burninator wrote:
I was more interested in build success that people have had involving a Khorne Lord w/ Bloodfeeder and whatever else I noted above.
T-

I'd still do just Wings and Bloodfeeder. Hide him in a Rhino with Berserkers for turns 1-2, then seperate and engage something juicy like a Tactical squad or Lootas. With luck you'll wipe them out and if you roll a 1, you hopefully won't get killed.
This means you need to steer clear of units with a Power Fist, you don't want to roll a 1 and then get insta-killed.

Think of yourself as a disposable speedy meteor of death.

Basically what minigun762 said.
I used a lord with just a feeder in a Rhino with 8 zerkers with triple plasma pistols in my Crap Legion army...he was quite underwhelming.

I expected nothing and I was let down...Possessed and Lesser Daemons had rockstar moments compared to the Feeder Lord.

Anyway, that's just my experience with the Feeder Lord...High Risk for Medium Rewards.

Is there any potential good from a Feeder Lord on a Juggernaut? I think the conversionary work could be potentially awesome given the new Juggernaut model. I guess he's kind of on his own as far as the model goes, unless he joins a unit that ....would probably get shot up on its way over, haha.

What about that set up? Ideas on how to make it work?

Thanks!
T-

Str 5 is nice, but the chance for turning Stupid is the same, still is instant killable, and requires footslogging.
A bad combo if you ask me, and expensive.

If you had like a 20 man Zerker squad, maybe...

Ive used a Khorne Lord w bloodfeeder twice. Luckily I am yet to roll a 1, and I have had some awesome results with him. More importantly, he, and his squad of 10 zerkers attracted soo much fire (cos I verbally built up the number of potential attacks to my opponent) that my 1ksons were able to get across the board and cause some rapid fire havock.

A Khorne lord with bloodfeeder can be an effective (but expensive) distraction - just dont plan on him surviving long.

Trogdor the Burninator wrote:Is there any potential good from a Feeder Lord on a Juggernaut? I think the conversionary work could be potentially awesome given the new Juggernaut model. I guess he's kind of on his own as far as the model goes, unless he joins a unit that ....would probably get shot up on its way over, haha.

What about that set up? Ideas on how to make it work?

Thanks!
T-

Well if you think its cool, by all means go for it!. Rule of Cool > Table top effectiveness I say.

As for how best to use him, I'd try to screen him with some kind of armor. Atleast a Rhino so he gets a cover save and maybe a Land Raider if you can cover him entirely.

minigun762 wrote:
Well if you think its cool, by all means go for it!. Rule of Cool > Table top effectiveness I say.

Minigun...

I think Lash princes, plague marines, and oblits are cool....
Rule of Cool + Table Top Rape = Profit.

I think minigun762's point is that the twin Lash Prince, Plague Marine, Obliterator combination isn't "table top rape".

Now, I know the thread is about a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne, but I'd like to point something out: The Chaos Lord with a Mark of Tzeentch is only 5pts more expensive.

So what's the value of that increase in invulnerable save and commensurate decrease in the number of attacks?

The value is this: The option of taking a Disc of Tzeentch and a Deathscreamer.

A Lord of Khorne can have Wings or a Jump Pack, although a Jump Pack may be a better idea in this latter day of the Jaws of the World Wolf, making him wholly immune to that power, and get A2D6+5 on the charge.

However a Lord of Tzeentch can have a Disc of Tzeentch (becomes Jump Infantry, +1A) to match both the movement of a Lord of Khorne with a Jump Pack, and his attacks. Essentially it's a bundled Jump Pack and Mark of Khorne.

But what about the Daemon Weapon? Well, you get 1D6 shots at 2+ (BS5 Lord), AP3. If you roll a 1, then you get a Iv4+ to avoid the wound and you still get to assault. Then you get A1D6+5, and an Iv4+ if you roll a 1, both better protecting the Lord against the spite of the weapon's possessing daemon, and against the opponents who will seek to tear him a new one while he's momentarily distracted with the labour dispute.

So they both get 2D6+5 attacks, essentially, with the Lord of Tzeentch being less likely to lose all of them, better defended whether they get used or not, possessed of a ranged component the Khorne Lord does not, and actually only 15 points more (5 if you try to equalize the shooting with the addition of a combi-weapon to the Lord of Khorne).

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:

minigun762 wrote:
Well if you think its cool, by all means go for it!. Rule of Cool > Table top effectiveness I say.

Minigun...

What?
Sometimes your personal preference gets in the way of using whats best. Its the exact same reason that I have 2+ Defilers in my list instead of 2x2 Oblits. I'll take a battle crab over a bloated Terminators with Chaos Herpes anyday.

minigun762 wrote:

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:

minigun762 wrote:
Well if you think its cool, by all means go for it!. Rule of Cool > Table top effectiveness I say.

Minigun...

What?
Sometimes your personal preference gets in the way of using whats best. Its the exact same reason that I have 2+ Defilers in my list instead of 2x2 Oblits. I'll take a battle crab over a bloated Terminators with Chaos Herpes anyday.

But I love bloated Terminators w/ Chaos Herpes...and regular Terminators with Combi-meltas...as long as there are 3 or fewer per squad

So minigun762 likes crabs and Iron_Chaos_Brute prefers herpes. Time to admit I like a gang of big burly dudes when it comes to table top rape.

Nurglitch wrote:So minigun762 likes crabs and Iron_Chaos_Brute prefers herpes. Time to admit I like a gang of big burly dudes when it comes to table top rape.

Ogryn?

Havocs.

But they can't deep strike and don't move very much.

See...all of you would love Slurgle.
Slaanesh and Nurgle in one bed... their primary method of warfare is STD's...

Chaos brings out the best in us...

Sanctjud wrote:See...all of you would love Slurgle.
Slaanesh and Nurgle in one bed... their primary method of warfare is STD's...

Haha

So would you worship Khaanesh if you're into rough lovin'?