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Hello guys.

Because I want to learn warhammer 40k and pick up Tyranid as my first army. My dad gave me a book to read. The book title is Starship Troopers, and then he rented the movie Starship Troopers last night. I was so amazed that a simple movie can offer so much strategic tips.

This trooper sneak up a big bug's (carnifex) back and drop a grenade to blow it up. He instantly reminded me Marbo from Imperial Guard and his large blast bomb.

Inside a cave, they gather all these bugs together, and then one guy stay behind and blow up a nuclear bomb for massive kill. Took me awhile to figure it out, you can charge in an unit for multi-assault, so the bugs will have to pile in. After the assaulting unit die, we can rush forward using flamer or bomb them with blast weapon at long range.

Thought I would share this with everyone.

Look as everyone knows the only thing you ever need to take away from that film is

'The only good bug, is a dead bug!'

p.s don't watch the sequel

Yeah, arena football is the sport of the future, and be nice to your nerdy friend, he might be psychic.

warpcrafter wrote: and be nice to your nerdy friend, he might be psychic.

...or/and he might be Barny Stinson!

Haha, You guys are funny.

I didn't know there is sequel. Now I'm curious. My dad laughed at some of the bad acting. Is the sequel worse? But either, if they offer more strategic tips vs tyranid, I'll watch it.

There are two sequels. At least. They seem to sneak up on us.

Also, the first movie is a parody of fascism.

Oh good the sequels are so bad u_u
Watch them if you can do it for free and have time to kill. Also yeah, remember to befriend Neil Patrick Harris :U

The real lessons to pick up from the movie are:

1. Target priority. Make sure you kill what needs killin' first.

2. Don't be afraid to sacrifice a squad when you need to.

3. To steal from the Soviets, "Quantity has a quality all of its own".

Good luck!

New Player wrote:Hello guys.

Because I want to learn warhammer 40k and pick up Tyranid as my first army. My dad gave me a book to read. The book title is Starship Troopers, and then he rented the movie Starship Troopers last night. I was so amazed that a simple movie can offer so much strategic tips.

This trooper sneak up a big bug's (carnifex) back and drop a grenade to blow it up. He instantly reminded me Marbo from Imperial Guard and his large blast bomb.

Inside a cave, they gather all these bugs together, and then one guy stay behind and blow up a nuclear bomb for massive kill. Took me awhile to figure it out, you can charge in an unit for multi-assault, so the bugs will have to pile in. After the assaulting unit die, we can rush forward using flamer or bomb them with blast weapon at long range.

Thought I would share this with everyone.

When I watched the movie, I was amazed that the dessicated corpse of Robert Heinlein didn't rise from the grave to lead his estate and all his fans on a mass lynching of the entire production studio and screen-play writing group.

Saldiven wrote:

New Player wrote:Hello guys.

Because I want to learn warhammer 40k and pick up Tyranid as my first army. My dad gave me a book to read. The book title is Starship Troopers, and then he rented the movie Starship Troopers last night. I was so amazed that a simple movie can offer so much strategic tips.

This trooper sneak up a big bug's (carnifex) back and drop a grenade to blow it up. He instantly reminded me Marbo from Imperial Guard and his large blast bomb.

Inside a cave, they gather all these bugs together, and then one guy stay behind and blow up a nuclear bomb for massive kill. Took me awhile to figure it out, you can charge in an unit for multi-assault, so the bugs will have to pile in. After the assaulting unit die, we can rush forward using flamer or bomb them with blast weapon at long range.

Thought I would share this with everyone.

When I watched the movie, I was amazed that the dessicated corpse of Robert Heinlein didn't rise from the grave to lead his estate and all his fans on a mass lynching of the entire production studio and screen-play writing group.

The director wrote a script for an unrelated alien-fighting movie until he was instructed to film Starship Troopers. He hated the book and went out of his way to discredit it. It's a real shame because the REAL Starship Troopers would have been a fantastic movie.

What I learned from the Starship Troopers movie:

1. Denise Richards is hot.

2. In the future, there will be military co-ed showers.

3. You can only beat the bugs by getting Doogie Howser to read their minds.

Seriously, the director Paul Verhoven grew up in Holland and was there when the Nazis occupied it in WWII. I heard him tell a story in an interview about how there was no food and they had to eat tulip bulbs. But he had firsthand experience of the facist occupation and what that was like, especially their propaganda, so he incorporated that into the film. But most audiences in the U.S., especially the test audiences, weren't capable of detecting satire and thought the movie was seriously endorsing fascist practices like genocide, disenfranchising people who haven't served in the military, and the propaganda stuff. Also American audiences faulted Carmen (Denise Richards's character) for leaving her boyfriend to join the navy, and most thought she should have died as punishment for that "betrayal", although they didn't fault Johnny later on for sleeping with Deena Myers's character, even though he's supposed to be all loyal to Carmen.

Pretty much everybody in the SF community accepts that Heinlein's original book is both (1) completely fascist in its politics and also (2) completely awesome in coming up with the original idea of guys in battlesuits that fly around blowing the crap out of everything.

greatest thread ever.

Flavius Infernus wrote:What I learned from the Starship Troopers movie:

1. Denise Richards is hot.

This point need emphasis!

Flavius Infernus wrote:[...]

Also American audiences faulted Carmen (Denise Richards's character) for leaving her boyfriend to join the navy, and most thought she should have died as punishment for that "betrayal", although they didn't fault Johnny later on for sleeping with Deena Myers's character, even though he's supposed to be all loyal to Carmen.

Ahh...how I love double standards, gets you every time.

OT: Watching Starship troopers and then trying to implement tactics shown in a game is failed from the beginning because real life tactics don't go well with an abstract game 40k. Suppressing fire, dodging for cover, reloading, reaction time of units especially tanks just to name a few. Blowing up bugs with grenades goes in the same direction.

What straship troopers say about bug armies: Never underestimate them!

Greets
Schepp himself

New Player wrote:Haha, You guys are funny.

I didn't know there is sequel. Now I'm curious. My dad laughed at some of the bad acting. Is the sequel worse? But either, if they offer more strategic tips vs tyranid, I'll watch it.

It depends.

They offer more opportunities to laugh at the bad acting (Yes, yes they are worse)

Broken Loose wrote:The director wrote a script for an unrelated alien-fighting movie until he was instructed to film Starship Troopers. He hated the book and went out of his way to discredit it. It's a real shame because the REAL Starship Troopers would have been a fantastic movie.

And the bugs are in only 2 chapters, as background to the real story.

Here is some good tactical advice based on the movie:

Dont run into a horde guns blazing.

Nuke'em (big blast weapons)

Flavius Infernus wrote:Pretty much everybody in the SF community accepts that Heinlein's original book is both (1) completely fascist in its politics and also (2) completely awesome in coming up with the original idea of guys in battlesuits that fly around blowing the crap out of everything.

Completely disagree with this statement.

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1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

The governmental form the "exists" in Starship Troopers in no way resembles fascism. Anyone who believes it does has either not read the book or does not understand what fascism is.

In ST, franchise was only limited to those who had completed a voluntary 2 year stint in one of the branches of the military. However, any and all volunteers who sought to serve could do so, regardless of race, gender, physical disability, whatever. Those who had completed this voluntary service participated in a representative democracy. A free market economy existed, as represented by Juan's father who was a successful businessman and who also derided the military at the beginning of the novel. Freedom of expression existed, even among those who were in the military that expressed dissatisfaction with how it was run, and even those who did not have their franchise were allowed to criticize the government and were denied no freedoms except for the right to vote (which they could obtain by completing a voluntary stint, if they so chose). There is no evidence of racism of any type in ST; in fact, even though the book was written in 1957, the main character is Latino (though some argue Filipino). There isn't even any real aggressive nationalism displayed in the book, as the Earth military is responding to attacks made upon it by the Arachnids.

So is there Fascism in ST?

Is the government a dictatorship? No
Is opposition and criticism forcibly suppressed? No evidence shows this
Is industry and commerce heavily regulated? No
Are the elements of aggressive nationalism or racism? No

This issue often comes up with certain types that dislike any perceived glorification of the military or the idea that a government can ask something from its people in return for the benefits that government offers. Heinlein wrote shortly before his death in the late 1980's that he was still receiving hate mail from people who disliked the military themes in Starship Troopers. Personally, I believe those people completely missed the point of the book.

Movies used ideas of book to parody facism. I think Verhoeven himself said something like Heinlein's envisioned government was very efficient and even praiseworthy . . . if all you needed to do was squish bugs.

Pretty cool that you guys all grew up with this movie. Didn't expect a such in-depth politics background about this movie. My generation have Avatar aka WarCraft Night Elf with tail and USB port hair vs. 40k Imperial Guard with mech robot from The Matrix.

To Schepp:

My Grandpa told that long time ago the Chinese warlords played this game called "Go" as a sim-mu-nation (i don't know how to spell the word) to war so they can plan for their strategies or keening their skills of war tactic. Chess is another tactical war game, and then 40k is an evolution of Chess. I can't imagine applying bombs or blast weapon to Chess, because that game is very abstract to realism, but 40k is very close to realism for table board games. If that holds true, then we can use some of strategies from life wars. You are right about it's impossible to apply reloads time and stuffs to 40k, but like what Lorek said, "Target priority. Make sure you kill what needs killing first, and don't be afraid to sacrifice a squad when you need to" both are valid to the game and movie.

It's hard to explain, there just feels like a connection with life war and 40k.


Hey guys, I haven't finish the book yet, just a little over half way done. Is it just me, or the book feels like talking a lot about politics and not enough pew pew? Either way, so far it's been a good read.

New Player wrote:Hey guys, I haven't finish the book yet, just a little over half way done. Is it just me, or the book feels like talking a lot about politics and not enough pew pew?

That's because the book is a book on politics with a background war story, not a war story with background politics.

New Player wrote:

Hey guys, I haven't finish the book yet, just a little over half way done. Is it just me, or the book feels like talking a lot about politics and not enough pew pew? Either way, so far it's been a good read.

Heinlein's style is similar to the later books written by Orson Scott Card (if you've read any of the Ender series), where the story is simply the vehicle by which he delivers his philosophy.

A few things to keep in consideration:

Heinlein was a military man, and unwillingly discharged due to medical complications
This book was originally published in 1959, during the transition from America's Age of Innocence into the 1960s.
Heinlein's ideas are based upon meritocracy rather than democracy.

Saldiven wrote:
Completely disagree with this statement.

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1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

Are you kidding?

The ST gov't is incredibly fascist - especially in the overt manner in which it is portrayed in the movie. Fascism is not defined primarily in the existence of a single dictatorial ruler, but rather (the last part of that rather flawed definition), an excessive amount of nationalism us-vs-them mentality. Militarism and service are common themes of fascism, and both of these are huge components of ST.

The over-the-top propaganda shown is a clear method of suppressing opposing opinion - as is requiring service for anyone who wants to be a citizen (because running people through a service training program is the most obvious method of inculcating a desire to protect the state in the future citizen).

Racism here is not racism between humans, but xenophobia - the hatred of bugs. Racism is historical fascism has served to instill fear of external countries, and solidify the populace's dedication to the state. In the ST case, xenophobia makes the people live in constant fear of attack from the bugs, while simultaneously positioning the state as the protector (remember those propaganda spots that show the military's orbital defense emplacements?).

New Player wrote:Hey guys, I haven't finish the book yet, just a little over half way done. Is it just me, or the book feels like talking a lot about politics and not enough pew pew? Either way, so far it's been a good read.

Throw that Heinlein trash away and pick up some Dan Abnett or Sandy Mitchell. Anyone who tells you different is being pretentious. Take it from a guy who made it all the way through the incredibly overrated Stranger In A Stange Land as well as that gazillion page snooze-fest Time Enough For Love (when I wasn't much older than you, actually). If you must read "classic" sci-fi, go straight for The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury and if you want to be "classic" about fantasy, too, don't read anything but Robert E. Howard's Conan stories. But if you want to be entertained in a genre and setting you already like, go out a get this little gem.

Manchu wrote:There are two sequels. At least. They seem to sneak up on us.

Also, the first movie is a parody of fascism.

At least the first sequel had a girl on girl shower scene.

I think Aliens would be a better teacher.
"get some!"
"game over man, game over."
"Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."

I take all my strategies from Sci Fi movies! Unfortunately things don't do so well when I try to pattern tactics off of Imperial Storm Troopers or SyFy original movie characters.

New Player wrote:, but 40k is very close to realism for table board games.

Time to go to bed, kid.

Reaver83 wrote:Look as everyone knows the only thing you ever need to take away from that film is

'The only good bug, is a dead bug!'

p.s don't watch the sequel

There Is No Sequel. There is however a third movie.

My main strategic principle can actually be summed up by Starship Troopers: EVERYONE FIGHTS! NO ONE QUITS!

Gwyidion wrote:

Are you kidding?

The ST gov't is incredibly fascist - especially in the overt manner in which it is portrayed in the movie. Fascism is not defined primarily in the existence of a single dictatorial ruler, but rather (the last part of that rather flawed definition), an excessive amount of nationalism us-vs-them mentality. Militarism and service are common themes of fascism, and both of these are huge components of ST.

The over-the-top propaganda shown is a clear method of suppressing opposing opinion - as is requiring service for anyone who wants to be a citizen (because running people through a service training program is the most obvious method of inculcating a desire to protect the state in the future citizen).

Racism here is not racism between humans, but xenophobia - the hatred of bugs. Racism is historical fascism has served to instill fear of external countries, and solidify the populace's dedication to the state. In the ST case, xenophobia makes the people live in constant fear of attack from the bugs, while simultaneously positioning the state as the protector (remember those propaganda spots that show the military's orbital defense emplacements?).

The xenophobia is somewhat justified by the, to be blunt, horrific and incomprehensible nature of the bugs.

I have no comment on the MOVIE's politics; taking the advice of friends and family who know how much I loved the book, I have never seen any of the movies. The book, however, has some fascinating political ideas. Heinlein is extreme, yes, but by no means "fascist".

Also; "running people through a service training program is the most obvious method of inculcating a desire to protect the state in the future citizen". I fail entirely to see how this is a bad thing. Of course states want to protect themselves. In fact this is the STATED reason for the program; people who have served in the military have demonstrated they are willing to risk their lives for the good of the nation. This is a good thing, commonly referred to as "civic virtue".