World Eaters vs. Orks. Winner?

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**aka_tizz**

So, i was just wondering...if Angron and his World Eaters were to face an Ork Horde and a Warboss and they were equal in numbers, who might be the winner? Just cause they kinda are the same thing, just different species

**ph34r**

Orks are individually weaker than space marines of either variety and rely on numbers to win the day. In equal numbers space marines would win, and World Eaters would win by a massacre.

**Cheese Elemental**

World Eaters.

Orks are physically powerful, but don't care much for their own safety and aren't as skilled or strong as Space Marines. World Eaters have been doing nothing but fighting for 10,000 years and are even better fighters than Eldar CC specialists.

**Orkestra**

Easy, the World Eaters.

Berzerkers eat orks for breakfast. (they're also 2.5 times as costly, but hey)

**FITZZ**

At even numbers World Eaters would slaughter Orks...but since when do Orkz show up with equal numbers?

**Nurglitch**

Berzerkers are more like 3.5x as costly as Orks. That said a unit of nine will get nine bolt pistols shots, hitting on 3+, wounding on 4+. So three Orks buy it off the bat.

In the assault that follows they'll get four attacks each on the charge, hitting on 3+, wounding on 3+, and not-saving on 5-. So 36 attacks, 24 hits, 16 wounds, 13 unsaved wounds. On average.

If the Orks started 30 strong, then you get 13 Boyz attacking back, three per Slugga Boy, two per Shoota Boy. Hitting on 4+, wounding on 5+, and not-saving on 2-. So 39/26 attacks, 20/13 hits, 7/4 wounds, 2/1 unsaved wounds, on average and respectively.

Then the Skull Champion and the Ork Nob attack with their Powerfists. The Skull Champion gets four attacks thanks to the charge, 3+ to hit, 2+ to wound, no saves. The Nob gets three attacks, 4+ to hit, 2+ to wound. Two wounds on average for the Skull Champion, one wound on average for the Nob.

So three Berzerkers buy it, while only 15 Orks do. That means the Orks only suffer 12 wounds with their stalwart Sv6+, meaning another ten Orks buy it. By the end of the combat you have four Boyz and one Nob left.

Supposing that they get another round of uninterrupted combat, then you'd see 18 attacks from the Berzerkers, hitting on 3+, wounding on 4+, not-saving on 5-. So 12 hits, 6 wounds, 5 unsaved wounds. A wounded Nob is left, causing one wound on the Berzerkers, while getting his clock most likely cleaned by the Skull Champion.

In a single game turn a squad of Berzerkers, sub-optimally configured for the work, has annihilated a mob of Orks. Okay, they've lost some 4/10s of their squad, but what else is going to plow headfirst into a swarm of Orks and survive, on average?

Edit: Okay, something here to note is that the Berzerkers actually outnumbered the Orks because although the Orks had numerical superiority of 1:3, the Berzerkers had the charge (and why not? Land Raiders exist for a reason) and individually cost more than three Orks each.

**Ronin**

Fluff standpoint? They're both winners. Orks would be enjoying a bloody good scrap from Khorne's Chosen (and who could be better at close combat?), while the Berserkers get to relish in their thirst for slaughter, blood and skulls.

**Luke_Prowler**

You know would would win? Kharn. Not the Orks, no the World Eaters, just Kharn.

**Orkestra**

Yeah Nurglitch. I learned early on in my Ork career that berzerkers are scary, scary fellows. In one of my first few 1000 point games, I got charged by 8 zerkers and had a thirty boy mob get wiped off the board. It shattered my illusions of '30 boyz iz invinzible' and it made me decide on trukk squads. (I also immediately got some lootas to bust open rhinos, then he got them a land raider, so I became sad panda once more)

**Shadowbrand**

Just any old ork band?

World Eater's!! They would KILL MAIL BURN!!! till not even Ork spore's are left.

**Luke_Prowler**

Orkestra wrote:Yeah Nurglitch. I learned early on in my Ork career that berzerkers are scary, scary fellows. In one of my first few 1000 point games, I got charged by 8 zerkers and had a thirty boy mob get wiped off the board. It shattered my illusions of '30 boyz iz invinzible' and it made me decide on trukk squads. (I also immediately got some lootas to bust open rhinos, then he got them a land raider, so I became sad panda once more)

What you need is rokkits, my friend. Lots and lots of rokkits

**Orkestra**

Luke_Prowler wrote:
Orkestra wrote:Yeah Nurglitch. I learned early on in my Ork career that berzerkers are scary, scary fellows. In one of my first few 1000 point games, I got charged by 8 zerkers and had a thirty boy mob get wiped off the board. It shattered my illusions of '30 boyz iz invinzible' and it made me decide on trukk squads. (I also immediately got some lootas to bust open rhinos, then he got them a land raider, so I became sad panda once more)

What you need is rokkits, my friend. Lots and lots of rokkits

Actually, rather than 'relying' on a 5+ to hit, 6+ to glance ranged weapon, I've tossed in a couple of 'Bikercide' squads. (note: I don't use my fast attack slots for other things). 3 man warbikers with a klaw nob. they skulk around and wait for a chance to rush up for a few s9 attacks. It's also useful against fexes.

**Luke_Prowler**

Orkestra wrote:
Luke_Prowler wrote:
Orkestra wrote:Yeah Nurglitch. I learned early on in my Ork career that berzerkers are scary, scary fellows. In one of my first few 1000 point games, I got charged by 8 zerkers and had a thirty boy mob get wiped off the board. It shattered my illusions of '30 boyz iz invinzible' and it made me decide on trukk squads. (I also immediately got some lootas to bust open rhinos, then he got them a land raider, so I became sad panda once more)

What you need is rokkits, my friend. Lots and lots of rokkits

Actually, rather than 'relying' on a 5+ to hit, 6+ to glance ranged weapon, I've tossed in a couple of 'Bikercide' squads. (note: I don't use my fast attack slots for other things). 3 man warbikers with a klaw nob. they skulk around and wait for a chance to rush up for a few s9 attacks. It's also useful against fexes.

Well, I meant some killa kans or TL rokkit deffkoptas, but your idea works much better.

**Orkestra**

I think, AKA, that while they are the same thing in mindset (kind of, but not really) they're quite different in their physical appearance (includes stats, weapons, and armour)

But yeah, it does seem like Berzerkers are just Power Armoured Nobs who lost an attack somwhere. (with a WAAGH banner).

**Shaman**

Orkes are never beaten. Even when The WE kill them all.

**Katavus**

World Eaters hands down, have no respect for their own lives have a higher weapon skill over all, and have a higher initiative as well as a higher base Strength , so even if no one gets the charge or the orks get the charge the World Eaters will still come out on top and if the numbers are actually equal, which we are dealing with orks so this never happens but hypothetically speaking if the WE did show up with the same number it wouldn't be a fight, the orks would just cease to be.

**nintendoeats**

What about an equal number of warbosses?

**crazykiwi**

nintendoeats wrote:What about an equal number of warbosses?

with an equal number of Kharn knock offs

**nintendoeats**

Ok, Kharn vs. Gazgkhull?

Aa the Profit Of The WAAAGGH! I expect Gork and Mork to intervene FTW.

**crazykiwi**

with Khorne swinging against two lol

**Corey85**

nintendoeats brings up a good point, Khrone would not back his guys, but the ork gods might care.

**Sarnath666**

khorne all the way....orks are...just a joke to chaos, out side the actual game that is.

**crazykiwi**

if there where 10 thousand orks and 10 thousand World eaters (pretty much all of them) and gork and mork decided to mess with the odds Id think khorne might add a hand or a fist or a planet sized axe to the face

**Morgrim**

Didn't Gork & Mork and Khorne have a punch up somewhere along the lines? I think both parties may secretly enjoy that (when are they going to get a scrap against someone that's actually a challenge?) but it would probably distract them quite a bit from the battle itself.

**Orkestra**

Morgrim wrote:Didn't Gork & Mork and Khorne have a punch up somewhere along the lines? I think both parties may secretly enjoy that (when are they going to get a scrap against someone that's actually a challenge?) but it would probably distract them quite a bit from the battle itself.

I think it was more along the lines of "Hey Khorne, look at that shiny gubbinz on da ground!" *Mork crouches down behind khorne, Gork pushes him over Gork.*

Then a few orky fists to the face and Gork & Mork stroll off looking pleased, while Khorne cries and wonders where his lunch money went.

**SideEffect46**

World Eater of course, Orks = Dumb

**crazykiwi**

hos van gootos opinion on Orks, Orks stupid but clever

**tigonesskay**

In DOW winter assault it was lord crull of the world eaters vs the orks. As long as the orks have their numbers and Karn the betrayer isn't involved The orks might just win.
If karn is in the fight then the orks are screwed.

**BishopGore**

tigonesskay wrote:In DOW winter assault it was lord crull of the world eaters vs the orks. As long as the orks have their numbers and Karn the betrayer isn't involved The orks might just win.
If karn is in the fight then the orks are screwed.

As mentioned earlier, if Kharn is in the fight, every living thing he can reach is screwed.

**Cambak**

Juz cuz dem orks no speek proppa engliis don' mean dey iz stupiid!

Orkiness aside, I'd think whoever saw the other first.