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My first Army list.

Not finalised but Ithink it's the way I want to go.

HQ = 190

Sorcerer: wings, familliar, PI, Mos, Meltabombs, plasma pistol and force staff. LoS and GoC

TROOPS = 590

10x CSM in Rhino with dozer and HL. 1x HB 1x Melta 1x MoS

10x Noise Marines in Rhino with dozer and HL. 9x SB, 1xBM, 1xPI

FAST = 325

6x Raptor: 1xASP with Pair of LC, MoS, MeltaBombs. 1xMelta. 1xPlasma.

5xRaptor: 2xMelta. Scorcerer attatched.

HEAVY = 450

1x Defiler

1x Oblit

5x Havoc: 1xAsp TLB, MeltaBombs. 1xHB. 1xLC. 1xAC. 1xML.


Army = 1555pts

Let me know what you think guys.

Trying to sort out my first battle for 17yrs this week!

Help

Something of this and something of that...

Just enjoy some games and you would get some experiences.

Sorcs are fun, and don't get the groans a DP does.

Naked Rhinos are better. Go with double special weapons on your CSMs (ie, 2x Meltas), and MoS is a waste unless this is supposed to be a Slaanesh-themed list.

10 Noise Marines is nice if you have the models, but remember they are 8 to a box. Again, naked Rhinos are better.

2 troop choices at 1500 is low. Go with a 3rd unit for scoring. Perhaps another 10 CSM in a rhino if this is a Slaanesh-theme. A unit of Plague Marines if not (for holding tough objectives).

Raptors are meh, but if you really want to take them go with double special weapons (either Plasma or Melta).

Defiler is Meh. Oblits are hugely better. You could run as many as 6 at this point range, 3 would be great. I would run Terminators over Havocs any day.

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Added later:

Another option for your 3rd scoring unit would be to create a 9 man CSM squad with no upgrades (maybe an IoCG for morale checks) in a Rhino with the Sorc. The Sorc can still Lash and Gift of Chaos from the Rhino's single fire point, and the 9x CSM are simply disposable wounds. If you get blowed up, have the CSM take the wounds, and then sit there and Rapid Fire bolters into units trying to assault your Sorc. This is a popular option for Sorcs, and makes them far harder to kill.

I really like the scorcerer in the rhino advice, sounds like a great tactic. Thanks man!!

It is a Slaanesh theme, wish i liked Khorne (not)

Your sorcerer costs 205 points not 190.

Mizzri knows what hes talking about.

Naked rhinos, double special weapons. (meltas are good, plasma isnt to shabby) And when you run double weapons run 2 of the same per squad. This way one squad is all melta, tank killers. Up's the chance to kill tanks by a lot. If you make a plasma squad have them kill troops or whatever. But dedication allows for a plan to be made and maximization if your units.

Your sorcerer could use a little economizing imo. If your going to use him for lash, leave the melta bombs home. You have plenty of other tank killing devices. Plasma pistols are very meh... Usually they arent worth the 15 points for the 12" range. Its personal choice but when it comes to charging a unit and you have 1 less wound on your HQ due to plasma, its not too much fun. YMMV

Also, what is the reason for personal icon on the sorc?

I wouldnt recommend heavy weapons on your regular csm troops. You want them to be mobile and shooting. Heavy weapons will be useless.

Raptors really are meh... But MoS should help them.

On your havocs you have an aspiring champion with Twin-linked bolter and melta bombs. This is a waste of your points. Havoc squads shouldnt be in close combat and there is no need for aspiring champion. Use the 25 points you have put into him else where.

1. Sorceror way too expensive (use MoS, LoS, Jump Pack)

2. You need Meat (ie troops)
i)You are making all your troops too expensive, (you can give them nasty looking weapons but that won't stop from dying just as fast as normal CSM)
ii) Noise marines are good in these configurations
10 NM with 5 SB (to allow for losses)
5NM with 1 BM
iii) Your normal CSM need weapons like melta guns, flamers, plasma guns.

3) Raptors are a point sink don't bother (unless you want one squad with melta guns, fist to be a tank hunter)

4) Just one lone obliterator is useless

5) If you have lash ordnance weapons are a must, use two defilers or two vindicators, although a shooty predator can be good.

Right I've had a re-shuffle.

Thanks for the advice guys.

Feel free to rip this list apart though!

HQ = 175


Sorcerer: familliar, Mos, plasma pistol

and force staff. LoS and GoC

TROOPS = 660


10x CSM in Rhino. 1x HB 1x Melta 1x MoS

10x NM in Rhino. 5x SB, 1xBM

9x CSM in Rhino. Scorcerer attatched.


FAST = 180

6x Raptor: 1xASP with Pair of LC, MoS, 2xMelta.


HEAVY = 485

2x Defiler 300 1x double CC

5x Havoc: 2xLC. 1xAC. 1xML.


I dumped the oblit as I only have 1 at the moment.

I do have enough bit to make a custom defiler though.

I think my maths is right:

Army 1500pts

I have to say that I've actually had a lot of good things from 2x 5 man raptor squads with 2x meltas for hunting the mech lists that everyone seems to be running. If you are facing a horde, switch to flamers instead.

Keep them cheap (no marks/icons/champ/bombs) and hopping over the board and behind terrain and they should be fine.

I would remove all heavy weapons from your CSM squads as they should probably not be sitting there shooting too much if you are driving around in a rhino.

Add TL bolters to the rhinos too, as an extra bolter shot can be great for finishing off squads and causing extra wounds.

I personally quite like defilers, although a weapon destroyed result on the battle cannon is annoying if you are still miles away from the enemy and can't make it into CC.

One thing to be careful of is the special weapon requirements of a vanilla CSM squad. You can only get the 2nd special weapon if the squad is 10 or more models. In the case of the Sorc squad, you will only have 9 models, and thus only one special weapon. If the special weapons are important, go with Chosen and pay the extra 3 points per model (they can also have 4 special weapons with no squad minimum requirement). Chosen don't count as scoring models though, as they are Elites.

I understand that Mizzri, So you think I should add a special weapon to the Vanilla squad with the scorcerer just in case they get a bounced from the rhino?

Maybe a HB just for the extra shot? Or a HF if against Swarms?

I really want not to get utterly raped in my first game, expect to lose but would like to walk away head up!

Haha, you'll be fine.

Both the HB and HF are good calls for your single special weapon in the Sorc crew. My only worry is a Dreadnought or Tank bearing down on on your Sorc crew if they get bounced, and there will be nothing you can do about it. Make sure to spend 5 points on Meltabombs for your Sorc (provided he is not in Termie armor, since that removes Meltabombs from his list).

Even if you only have one Oblit, I would still try to find a way to get it in. You max out at 3 Heavy Support, so you still have logistical room, if you find fine the points somewhere.

Final list I think.

HQ = 180


Sorcerer: familliar, Mos, MeltaBomb, plasma pistol

and force staff. LoS and GoC

TROOPS = 762


10x CSM in Rhino. 1x HB 1x Melta 1x MoS

10x NM in Rhino. 5x SB, 1xBM

9x Chosen in Rhino. 2xMelta 1xHB + MeltaBombs, 2xPlasma gun, IoCG. Scorcerer attatched.


FAST = 180

6x Raptor: 1xASP with Pair of LC, MoS, 2xMelta.


HEAVY = 375

2x Defiler 1x double CC

1x Oblit


Army 1497pts

Wish Me luck!

I would make 1 small change, my friend.

The 9 chosen in the Rhino with the Sorc is a waste. They can't infiltrate if they are attached to him. Instead, since you only have 1 special weapon in your vanilla CSM Squad, I would reduce their number to 9, attach them to the Sorc, and increase the size of the Chosen Squad to 10 models. Infiltrate them, Deep Strike the Oblit, put your Defilers in good shooting spots to take out armor, get on Objectives with your NM and vanilla CSM Squads, and take the Sorc and his crew right up the middle so they can respond to either side of the map, if needed.

Good luck, and let us know how your first game goes. Consider doing a Battle Report in the batrep section.

Sorted.

This is a Great list now I see the strategy in it.

HQ = 180


Sorcerer: familliar, Mos, MeltaBomb, plasma pistol

and force staff. LoS and GoC

TROOPS = 763


9x CSM in Rhino. 1x Melta + MeltaBombs, IoCG Scorcerer attatched.


10x NM in Rhino. 5x SB, 1xBM

10x Chosen in Rhino. 2xMelta 1xHB, 2xPlasma gun, MoS.

FAST = 180

6x Raptor: 1xASP with Pair of LC, MoS, 2xMelta.


HEAVY = 375

2x Defiler 1x double CC

1x Oblit


Army 1498pts

I will post a battle report, Hopefully tomorrow night. If not the weekend!

Thanks Miz!

As said before, go with what you like best.
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Otherwise, the following is just my opinions of the recent list.

Sor: so much fat on him and no wings. If he lashes he won’t use the pistol. If he’s using the pistol he isn’t lashing. GoC is ‘fun’, but if you have lash there’s little reason to have GoC as it won’t come up often and costs so much for a power that won’t be used that often.

9CSM: IMO these guys should be 10 to get the second special weapon…so much more important that the sorc’s ride.
Noise Mairnes: drop one guy here and get the sorc in the ride, you lose no special weapons from this.
Troops are borderline ‘ok’, I’d think 3 units of troops would be better though.

Chosen get Icons and not Marks. 10 may be a bit much, they are most likely outflanking and delivering special weapons, which is nice, but I feel they are taking too much away from troops.

Raptors: not enough bodies for that much bling, again, they purchase Icons and not Marks.

A single oblit is a meh thing IMO, suicide dropping is an option, but it’s not ideal.
Defilers are ok.

Good luck on the fight.

Mizzri wrote:
Added later:

Another option for your 3rd scoring unit would be to create a 9 man CSM squad with no upgrades (maybe an IoCG for morale checks) in a Rhino with the Sorc. The Sorc can still Lash and Gift of Chaos from the Rhino's single fire point, and the 9x CSM are simply disposable wounds. If you get blowed up, have the CSM take the wounds, and then sit there and Rapid Fire bolters into units trying to assault your Sorc. This is a popular option for Sorcs, and makes them far harder to kill.

actually the rhinos fire point counts as two it was a faq not that it changes much but throwing a melta or plasma in that 9 man squad so he can fire 2

It seems to me that the blastmaster is a little expensive for what it does.

A doom siren is a great upgrade for noise marines and combines well with lash of submission on the sorcerer.

Still nto managed to get a game! Grrr.

People keep letting me down.

Will post how it goes if I get one!!