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Ok, so a quick poll to see if I'm actually going to have any problems with this - I suspect not, but who knows.

I have two old-style Keeper of Secrets in my Slaanesh Daemons army. I'm currently rebasing the whole army. The rulebook states that I must get my opponents permission if I want to use different base sizes than those supplied.

The old-style KoS were supplied on 40mm Square bases (WHFB Monster size)
The new KoS comes on a 60mm Round base (IG Heavy Weapon Team size)

The old KoS is smaller, and looks damn silly on a 60mm base, and square bases are just soooo WHFB, so I plan to mount them on 40mm Round bases (Terminator/Daemon Prince size). They're still 40mm, right, the same as the one they're supplied with, but round instead of square.

Now I'm going to do it anyway, I'm just wondering if any of you lovely dakkites would refuse to let me use the models?

So, do you care?

I'd say use your Termi bases then have a bigger size base you can slap your existing base on for anyone that cares. Sweet and simple

Simply put, use the base it came with.

Or just lie and say whatever base you put it on came with the model due to a packing error. They can hardly check.

Gwar! wrote:Or just lie and say whatever base you put it on came with the model due to a packing error. They can hardly check.

It wouldn't be a particularly good lie, since GW didn't make 40mm round bases when the original Greater Daemon models were made.



For the question, you might get the occasional grumble about base sizes giving you an advantage (strangely, putting a smaller base on, and putting a larger base on both get the same complaints about unfair advantages.) ... but the vast majority of players won't care, particularly if you point out the size base it originally came with.

CD base, and shove it down their throats.
CUPCAKES!!! 'Cause it's Chaos.

I take umbrage at the notion that the Keeper of Secrets looks silly on either of the two bases mentioned. How dare you, sir or madam.

The garishly painted KoS that I have from high school is mounted on the 40mm square base that it came with, and that's glued to a 60mm round base at the moment because some people wanted it on an "official" base. There's not a whole lot more that you can do about it.

Edit: Typo.

If the 40mm round came with a DP then go ahead and use it. Most people wont care but like others have said people will grumble no matter what you put it on. A DP is a hell of alot wider than the KoS and even it still fits on the 40mm round.

solkan wrote:The garishly painted KoS that I have from high school is mounted on the 40mm square base that it came with, and that's glued to a 60mm round base at the moment because some people wanted it on an "official" base. There's no a whole lot more that you can do about it.

QFT, people can always find reasons to complain about your army.

I rebased my old terminators. People mentioned that terminators came on bigger bases when I started playing again. When I compared old terminators to new ones, I noticed a slight size increase in the new terminators, likely related to the increased base size.

I find the old ones look a little small on the bigger bases, but each unit has specific base size that influences how the model plays. It seems to me that consistency with your models is key. I wouldn't necessarily be too keen seeing someone use an older, smaller base either, but its not a big deal. More of a "would you mind swapping in the new base size for consistency" than "I won't play you cause your bases are wrong".

I voted I don't care, lets play!

I wouldn't mind at all- the base still has the same width/diametre as the old base. Since the new ones come on a 60mm, i personally would use that and use the extra space to make a really nice detail filled base with the extra space, but thats just me

yeah,
the main problem with a KOS is that base size is much more important.

Daemon armies have to DeepStrike and a larger base will mean you have a greater chance of a mishap.

So using the smaller bases will look like your modeling for an advantage. especially since your now not using the 40mm square base the model came with!

It happen to a wreaking crew guy who was called out for modeling his bloodcrusher proxies on 40mm bases instead of 60mm bases for an advantage at a tourney.. and if anyone complained he had 60mm bases with him in his bag to place them ontop of... cheat.

Panic...

i say you can use any base that your particular model came with or a later version of the same model comes with. so, if you have an old metal terminator, you can use the normal infantry base that it came with or the current 40mm one. if you have a new terminator, you can ONLY use the 40mm one. i'd say use the square 40mm or (since you're going through the trouble of rebasing already) switch to the 60mm circular one.

Panic wrote:yeah,
the main problem with a KOS is that base size is much more important.

Daemon armies have to DeepStrike and a larger base will mean you have a greater chance of a mishap.

So using the smaller bases will look like your modeling for an advantage. especially since your now not using the 40mm square base the model came with!

It happen to a wreaking crew guy who was called out for modeling his bloodcrusher proxies on 40mm bases instead of 60mm bases for an advantage at a tourney.. and if anyone complained he had 60mm bases with him in his bag to place them ontop of... cheat.

Panic...

Hmm. Hadn't thought about the DS thing.

However, I could just bring along a 40mm square base (which is completely legal) for measuring.

In face, since both bases are 40mm, in almost all situations the fact that the base is circular rather than square would make no difference (we're talking about if the model lands in impassable terrain, right?). The only illegality occurs if I happen to scatter into some terrain with a circular edge, where the corner of my square base would touch it...

my buddy still has his DP on the round termi base it used to come with. It really irks me but 1) its a friendly game, and 2) that is what it was supplied with so its technically ok. I think ethically you should try to find the proper base for the current edition. In this case it would be the larger base.

Just my opinion

Deuce11 wrote:my buddy still has his DP on the round termi base it used to come with. It really irks me but 1) its a friendly game, and 2) that is what it was supplied with so its technically ok. I think ethically you should try to find the proper base for the current edition. In this case it would be the larger base.

Just my opinion

Regular DP's still come on 40mm bases...

Mount it on a scenic 60mm. It saves the arguement that would follow if you put it on a 40mm