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The Doom entry states that against leech essence that no armour saves may be taken. At first I thought this meant other saves may be taken (cover and invulnerable), but now I suddenly realize that this would disallow FnP saves. Am I crazy or is this a possible reason for including that 1 line?

Its a reason, but not a good one.


Considering it only has a T of 4 he is a massive waste of points. One missile, Melta, venomcannon, etc. and hes toast.

Lukus83 wrote:The Doom entry states that against leech essence that no armour saves may be taken. At first I thought this meant other saves may be taken (cover and invulnerable), but now I suddenly realize that this would disallow FnP saves. Am I crazy or is this a possible reason for including that 1 line?

It's one of many reasons.

I would suspect the main reason for this line is to disallow Armour Saves.

Clthomps wrote:Its a reason, but not a good one.


Considering it only has a T of 4 he is a massive waste of points. One missile, Melta, venomcannon, etc. and hes toast.

90 points + the pod for the ultimate in "oh gak I have to kill that now!" is worth it in the right list. The 3+ invulnerable really helps.

Valhallan42nd wrote:The 3+ invulnerable really helps.

When did that happen? Did GW release an Errata already?

Doesn't it have the warpfield power?

Kurgash wrote:Doesn't it have the warpfield power?

It does, but it only grants Zoanthropes a 3++ save.

Goddamnit Gwar

You know, this rings alot like when i said Arjac was a Wolfgaurd, but Gwar said caue he is a special character he is -not- a wolfgaurd. but then GW said that he is "Wolfgaurd" arjac and thus is a wolfgaurd. So the Doom of malanti is a zoanthrope, but he is a special zoanthrope thus he isn't but he is?



just poking fun, but honostly if he has warp field, and in the entry of the codex (page58) says warp field check out page 44, thus in my mind he has a 3+ invul save, now people will argue this forever just because they like to argue. but in all honosty, i will grant my opponent with it the 3+ invul save, cause the doom is a zoanthrope, just a named one (who incedently likes the tasty centers of eldar)

Honestly, he is a zoanthrope by fluff only. I will argue RAW as he has a useless warpfield power all day.

D'oh!

That is the stupidest argument I have ever heard...

The entry states the Doom has warpfield so he does. It's just that simple.

I'm not sure he can forgo FNP as the wounds inflicted are not AP2 or ID.

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FnP doesn't work against weapons that ignore armour saves.

Nightrave wrote:You know, this rings alot like when i said Arjac was a Wolfgaurd, but Gwar said caue he is a special character he is -not- a wolfgaurd. but then GW said that he is "Wolfgaurd" arjac and thus is a wolfgaurd. So the Doom of malanti is a zoanthrope, but he is a special zoanthrope thus he isn't but he is?



just poking fun, but honostly if he has warp field, and in the entry of the codex (page58) says warp field check out page 44, thus in my mind he has a 3+ invul save, now people will argue this forever just because they like to argue. but in all honosty, i will grant my opponent with it the 3+ invul save, cause the doom is a zoanthrope, just a named one (who incedently likes the tasty centers of eldar)

GW is wrong. Not the first time it has happened.

Grabzak Dirtyfighter wrote:That is the stupidest argument I have ever heard...

I am sorry you don't like it, but the rules are very clear.

Green Blow Fly wrote:The entry states the Doom has warpfield so he does. It's just that simple.

I'm not sure he can forgo FNP as the wounds inflicted are not AP2 or ID.

Yes, he has warpfield. I have never, not once said he doesn't have it. It's a shame Warp Field only gives Zoanthropes a 3++, and that the DoM is not a Zoanthrope, but that is what the rules say. Also, FNP says that attacks that never allow armour saves disallow FNP, not just AP2 and ID.

Green Blow Fly wrote:The entry states the Doom has warpfield so he does. It's just that simple.

I'm not sure he can forgo FNP as the wounds inflicted are not AP2 or ID.

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If you can cite a situation where a model can take an armour save against life leech, I'm happy to let FnP work, otherwhise it doesn't.

InquisitorFabius wrote:Honestly, he is a zoanthrope by fluff only. I will argue RAW as he has a useless warpfield power all day.

InquisitorFabius is correct.

I don't have my rulebook with me so I'm not going to waste time arguing about FNP. if somebody would like to quote the rule then I'll give it a look.

Now about the Doom and warpfield... I just happen to have the new Nid codex with me so I can discuss this one...

The rule appears in the entry for Zoies and states a warpfield grants a Zoie a 3+ invulnerable save. The rule does not state that warpfield does not work for the Doom. Let me ask you a question, why would the rule appear under the entry for Doom if he cannot use it? This smells of rules lawyering to me honestly speaking. You were wrong about the Scouts USR for Wolf Scouts and your line of reasoning follows along those lines as well. You can't say that GW is wrong, it's not like you got busted for a felony and want to make an appeal. I'll tell you what Gwar, I'd like to make a little wager with you. If GW FAQs it so that the Doom does not have a 3+ invulnerable then I'll put it in my sig; however if they don't you'll have to put it in your sig.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I don't have my rulebook with me so I'm not going to waste time arguing about FNP. if somebody would like to quote the rule then I'll give it a look.
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Since I was reading this with my rules book on the desk;

FNP
"Neither can it be used against wounds from AP1 and AP2 weapons, power weapons and any other wound against which no armour save can ever be taken (like wounds from power fists, Dreadnought close combat weapons, rending weapons that roll a 6, Perils of the Warp, failed dangerous terrain tests, etc)."

Green Blow Fly wrote:You were wrong about the Scouts USR for Wolf Scouts

Errm, No I wasn't?

A DoM is not a Zoanthrope. If you claim that then I want my Wolf Guard Terminators to also be Deathwing Terminators.

Okay I agree that FNP doesn't work against this Tyranid psychic power.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I'll tell you what Gwar, I'd like to make a little wager with you. If GW FAQs it so that the Doom does not have a 3+ invulnerable then I'll put it in my sig; however if they don't you'll have to put it in your sig.

How about, no? I'd rather hack off my own arm than put you in my sig anyway.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Okay I agree that FNP doesn't work against this Tyranid psychic power.

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Leech Essence is not a Psychic Power. Seriously, GBF, not being snarky, do you actually know the rules? If so, do you follow them when playing the game or do you just make things up as you go along?

Suggesting that the Doom of Malantai doesn't have a Iv3+ is as stupid as suggesting that a Librarian in Terminator Armour can make a Sweeping Advance; it's practically illiteracy.

Gwar! wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:You were wrong about the Scouts USR for Wolf Scouts

Errm, No I wasn't?

A DoM is not a Zoanthrope. If you claim that then I want my Wolf Guard Terminators to also be Deathwing Terminators.

as I said the rule simply states it works for Zoies, it does not state it doesn't work for the DoM.

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Nurglitch wrote:Suggesting that the Doom of Malantai doesn't have a Iv3+ is as stupid as suggesting that a Librarian in Terminator Armour can make a Sweeping Advance; it's practically illiteracy.

Illiteracy eh? Can you please tell me, what part of a rule which states "A Warp Field grants a Zoanthrope a 3+ invulnerable save." allows a non-Zoanthrope to benefit, oh mighty Literate One?

Green Blow Fly wrote:as I said the rule simply states it works for Zoies, it does not state it doesn't work for the DoM.

The rules don't say I can't kick you in the balls either. It doesn't say it doesn't is not an argument and you damn well know it. Like you said, the rule says it works for Zoanthropes. It does NOT say it DOES work for the DoM. RaW the DoM does not have a 3++ save. if you don't like it, tough luck tbfh.

If the rule appears in the entry then it works. Are you going to next tell us that PotMS does not work for a redeemer¿

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Green Blow Fly wrote:If the rule appears in the entry then it works. Are you going to next tell us that PotMS does not work for a redeemer

Technically, it doesn't. The same way Frag Assault Launchers do not work either. That is what the rules say. Playing it any other way is, technically, a breach of the rules, unless both players agree otherwise (and I can tell you know, I won't be agreeing otherwise).

On a personal note, anyone who tries to use the ability on my guys in a transport, will not be getting a 3+ invuln save. Thats my stance on it.. otherwise i'm pretty sure MOST level headed people would agree that RAI (yes doesnt really matter.) that it works on all things not in a vehicle, and gets a 3+ invuln.

Gwar! wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:If the rule appears in the entry then it works. Are you going to next tell us that PotMS does not work for a redeemer

Technically, it doesn't. The same way Frag Assault Launchers do not work either. That is what the rules say. Playing it any other way is, technically, a breach of the rules, unless both players agree otherwise (and I can tell you know, I won't be agreeing otherwise).

yeah right gwar like anyone actually plays it that way . The funny thing is I actually believe you think you are correct. Don't get so worked up about it, it's just toy soldiers dude.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:yeah right gwar like anyone actually plays it that way . The funny thing is I actually believe you think you are correct. Don't get so worked up about it, it's just toy soldiers dude.

Can you say for certain that not one single person plays this way? Also, I don't have to think I am correct, I know I am correct, because unlike other people, I read what the actual rules say, rather than crying about it and making up rules to fit what I want the rules to be.