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So I was just typing away on another post here and playing witness to some rule-lawyering when an interesting comment popped up.

"Suggesting that the Doom of Malantai doesn't have a Iv3+ is as stupid as suggesting that a Librarian in Terminator Armour can make a Sweeping Advance; it's practically illiteracy. "
by Nurglitch

Not so my friend... not so at all.

Afterall, the terminator versus sweeping ruling clearly states par. the Space marine codex that Terminators cannot sweep. Not models in terminator armor.. and... there is a difference. Afterall, the drop pod takes specific mentions in terms of its capacity 'model in terminator' armor. Same thing for the land raider.

So why.... oh why why why... would they take pains to point it out in one place and not the other?

BTW: CSM codex DOES mention limits on all models in terminator from sweeping..... so.. they remembered way back when to mention that specific way there also.
Why miraculously forget in 5th for vanilla marines?

Can those intrepid heroes in tactical dreadnaught armor actually sweep?

...or is this insanity?

Insane for sure¡

G

Doesn't it say in the terminator armor section for wargear that models in terminator armor can't sweeping advance?

ohhhh, I couldn't even get Gwar to comment. damn.

oh... and uh no== it actually doesn't say that. It says TERMINATORS can't sweep.... or Terminators wearing terminator armor... I can't recall. Either way... that's a far cry from a Librarian or Darnath Lysander.

RAI-- it's fairly obvious where this boats sailing
RAW-- not so much.

You created a side thread from the DoM thread just to try and pick a fight with Gwar... Over the fact that GW doesn't maintain a level standard across editions. (Never mind they can't even do it from 1 codex to the next)

and is it "Practically Illiteracy" or "insanity", no, this is GW

I do enjoy the picking a fight with Gwar part of this and i thought i would list exactly what it says in the codex.
pg 102 of the space marine codex
"On the other hand, this armour is somewhat cumbersome, sos Space Marine Terminators are not able to pursue a more lightly armoured foe then they flee. Terminators cannot perform a Sweeping Advance." By the Rules as Written, Terminators (ie: specifically a terminator squad and assault terminator squad) cannot perform sweeping advances. Every other thing that can don terminator armour can perform sweeping advances and is subject to the rest of the terminator armour rules as they state a model wearing Terminator armour.
PS: Terminators count as two models for the purposes of transport capacity, and cannot embark on Rhinos or Razorbacks. (pg 102 SM Codex) Nothing about models in terminator armour in that sentance so have fun surprising your enemy with a lysander in a rhino.

No, terminator assault squads are a different entry from terminator squads. Therefore hammer squads can infact sweeping advance.

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:No, terminator assault squads are a different entry from terminator squads. Therefore hammer squads can infact sweeping advance.

thats what i thought too but in there listing on pg 136 under unit compostition the unit consists of 1 terminator sergeant and 4 terminators so i would say that they are as a matter of fact Terminators.

until you can PROVE that I cannot now run units down everything but shooty terminator squads I will play otherwise

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:until you can PROVE that I cannot now run units down everything but shooty terminator squads I will play otherwise

Oh i'm not saying your wrong i'm just saying that someone could argue it in a tournament. Some one says Lysander can't sweep, they can't prove it. Assault Terminators could be called terminators by their unit composition. Either way i'm planning on using assault terminators as sweeping too

I wonder if this also goes for chaos terminators. Slaanesh lightning claw sweeping terminators would be a pain.


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Oh and lone wolves, my TH/SS terminator lone wolves can now run your squads down, have a nice day.

chaos codex says models in terminator armour cannon perform sweeping advances after an assault. Any other time its okay though

I have not dug into the other thread but my two cents are nothing in terminator armor can sweep. I don't think I'd play a game with somebody trying to insist otherwise.

Joetaco wrote:chaos codex says models in terminator armour cannon perform sweeping advances after an assault. Any other time its okay though

Indeed, the chaos dex says "MODELS in terminator armor are capable of moving and firing heavy weapons and may assault after firing rapid fire and heavy weapons. On the other hand, MODELS in terminator armour may not Sweeping Advance after assaults"

So unless SM codex is worded weird (which, knowing GW, is a huge possibility) I assume all termis are the same... or intended to be the same

The Dragon wrote:Afterall, the terminator versus sweeping ruling clearly states par. the Space marine codex that Terminators cannot sweep. Not models in terminator armor.. and... there is a difference.

Whilst you could certainly make a RAW case for there being a difference if you really felt the need, GW have a long history of using the terms 'Terminator' and 'model in Terminator Armour' interchangably.

Joetaco wrote:I do enjoy the picking a fight with Gwar part of this

I don't. I have better things to do with my Sunday night than babysitting threads started deliberately to pick a fight.

This thread is done.