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HQ
Marshall
Terminator Armor
Storm Shield
Master Crafted Thunder Hammer
Orb of Antioch
Adamantine mantle
205pts



HQ
Emperor’s Champion
Accept the Challenge no Matter the Odds
140pts


Elite
Sword Brethren Assault Terminators
Furious Charge
7x TH/SS
301pts

Troop
Crusader Squad
Melta Gun
Power Fist
5x Neophyte
235pts

Troop
Crusader Squad
Melta Gun
Power Fist
4x Neophyte
225pts

Troop
Crusader Squad
Melta Gun
Power Fist
4x Neophyte
225pts



X4 Transport
Land Raider Crusader
4x Blessed Hull
3x Smoke
1169pts

looking to tune a Black Templar list, first time building one, but having a glance over the rules, these guys look like fun, any tips are welcomed, looking to make an all rounder. this list has 3 melta guns and 4 multi meltas, 3 scoring units with 10+ bodies in each squad.

the plan is to have the Champion tag along with one of the Crusader Squads, while the Marshal jumps in with the Terminators, then everything rolls forward to bring the 52 bodies into range, thinking of outfitting the Crusaders Squads with Bolt Pistols and CCW for an extra punch in close combat. I can already see my list is missing range, but the av14 all round should help nullify that, and with blessed hull the LR get to ignore the effects of Lance Weapons(av is always counted as 14). the list seems a bit slow to me, but I don't know where to turn without softening it up a bit.

This list would make my DE very sad. :(

my thoughts exactly, thought at that level of play I would run into my fair share of Bright/Dark Lances so the boats would roll across mostly unharmed and let the terms and what not have fun among the squishy troops.

Drop unnecessary equipment on marshall. No templar player would take a master-crafted weapon, since you already have rerolls.

Remember your storm shield is not 3+ isv, but 4+isv old version. No need to take many.

Since your target is not to die(instead of crushing your enemies), you could take smaller troop units and more LR chasis.

How many points is that total?

While it would make my DE said for not having an easy game....

In 1850, I can fit 15 dark lances and 20 blasters.

I can move 12" and shoot my lances, and I can move 24" flat out to stay away from your lumbering land raiders. It looks like you have meltas and...any other ranged firepower? You've got a decent anti-eldar/DE list here and I'm going to spend the whole game playing keep away while trying to glance your vehicles to death.

Against other armies, you're going to suffer. Space Wolves with all THEIR melta and rending auto-cannons. Tau with their broadside suits and twin-linked railguns. Every other army with fast moving melta or multi-melta. You've got a defensive army that can shrug off small arms fire (and medium arms fire) and ignore lance weapons, but a real weakness to everything else because of your extremely limited target saturation.

If I can weapon destroy, shake and stun your land raiders...I'm happy as a peach. It'll take some rolling 6s to glance, but the rest is gravy because I can split up your mobile fortresses, take away your ability to fire at me and keep my extreme mobility. Sooner or later you'll get out or get glanced to death out, and then those dark lances and blasters will go to work on the squishy insides. =p

I'd look at dropping 1 or 2 LRC's and swapping in some rhinos in their place using the leftovers to get some vindicators or other suitable heavy ranged firepower

HQ
Emperor’s Champion
Accept the Challenge no matter the odds
140pts

Elite
Dreadnought
Multi Melta
Heavy Flamer
Drop Pod
Extra Armor
Smoke
163pts

Elite
Dreadnought
Multi Melta
Heavy Flamer
Drop Pod
Extra Armor
Smoke
163pts

Troop
Crusader Squad(x8)
Melta Gun
Power Fist
153pts

Troop
Crusader Squad(x8)
Plasma Gun
Power Fist
153pts

Troop
Crusader Squad(x8)
Plasma Gun
Power Fist
153pts

Fast Attack
Land Speeder(x2)
Heavy Flamer
Multi Melta
150pts

Fast Attack
Land Speeder(x2)
Heavy Flamer
Multi Melta
150pts

Fast Attack
Land Speeder(x2)
Heavy Flamer
Multi Melta
150pts


Transport
Land Raider Crusader
Blessed Hull
290pts

Transport
Land Raider Crusader
Blessed Hull
290pts

Transport
Land Raider Crusader
Blessed Hull
290pts

Heavy Support
Vindicator
125pts

Heavy Support
Vindicator
extra armor
130pts

2500pts

I played a few games the other night with BT, and learned to take one LRC just isn't enough, it gets ignored and the rest of the list gets opened up for it. I can't think of a better way to roll my scoring units over onto an objective, my game against Dash showed me just how nasty Blessed Hulls can be, Dark Lances bouncing left and right, got to fight against some Terv spam and learn just how tough a LRC is against those S5 MC attacks, they again just bounced off all round 14, and also how useful the Vindicators and Land Speeders are, giving my list some flexibility. I haven't tried the Dreads yet, but these are the old Drop Pod rules, so they come on after the 2nd turn, this will force lists that hunker down in a corner to try and snipe at me, to move around or risk being hit with my DP dreads. any more C&C is greatly welcomed.