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Well, after playtesting my last Librarian List with unsatisfying results, I've decided to go for an army that has more redundancy instead of one super killy unit.

Well Here Goes

Epistolary 150 (Gate and Force Dome)

Epistolary 150 (Gate and Force Dome)



Troops


7 Scouts with Cloaks, Sniper rifles, and Missile Launcher 132

TAC squad with Flamer, Missile Launcher, PW (In Drop Pod with Locator Beacon) 215

TAC squad with Melta, and MM (In Drop Pod with Locator Beacon) 220


Fast Attack

Scout bikers (8)
3x Grenade Launchers, PF, cluster mines, Locator Beacon 250


Elites

2x Sternguard (7) with 6 combi-meltas and 1 combi-flamer (In Drop Pod with Locator Beacon) 250


Heavy support

2x Thunderfire cannons 100


Total: 1852 points.


My first concern is the fact that the list is 2 points over, I suppose i could remove a melta from one of the sternguard squads, or remove a biker and add another scout, or even remove the cluster mines and add some wargear to my librarians. I would like some assistance in this decision though.

And as always, critiques, questions, and comments are welcome.

Am I missing something? What units do you Libbys join? You don't seem to have any particularly killy units.

I assume they go with the two sternguard units with combi flamer, they can kill most stuff pretty decent.

Oh, and can someone tell me if the Gate of Infinity move benefits from a Locator beacon?

Killy? Those meltaguns, assuming 4 out of 6 hit and assuming all 4 pen/glance will get rounded down to 2 pen/glances with cover. The ability to cause 4 pen/glances with your main killy unit is pretty poor.

Drop-pods = mobility.

Gate of infinity = Mobility.

You don't need to use both, its a double-positive that really doesn't add much. Whats not mobile? Terminator, foot-sloggers. What can either be difficult to transport or/and dish-out some decent ranged firepower; Terminators. Combi-melta sternguard do their job fine from a drop-pod.

As for Locator beacons and GoI; Yes, the former does work on the latter. Why? "..using the deep-strike rules,.." is what is written for GoI and that is good enough for a locator beacon.

Razerous wrote:Killy? Those meltaguns, assuming 4 out of 6 hit and assuming all 4 pen/glance will get rounded down to 2 pen/glances with cover. The ability to cause 4 pen/glances with your main killy unit is pretty poor.

Drop-pods = mobility.

Gate of infinity = Mobility.

You don't need to use both, its a double-positive that really doesn't add much. Whats not mobile? Terminator, foot-sloggers. What can either be difficult to transport or/and dish-out some decent ranged firepower; Terminators. Combi-melta sternguard do their job fine from a drop-pod.

My plan was/is to use both units of sternguard, as well as the scout bikers to be able to focus lots of small arms fire on one or two units.

The Drop Pods are really only a vehicle for my locator beacons, I want to be able to land where I want, and then continue to land exactly where I want for the rest of the game so I can optimize the amount of rapidfire shots that I have per turn, without the risk of losing the whole unit to deep strike mishaps.




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FlingitNow wrote:Am I missing something? What units do you Libbys join? You don't seem to have any particularly killy units.

The Librarians Joins the sternguards, and while i don't have any single particularly killy unit, i do have 3 highly mobile squads that can unleash a fairly devastating amount of firepower, more so when they are working in conjunction.

I managed to completely miss the Sternguards hence my question....

Some random comments:
- The Librarian with Sternguard is a great combo but expensive. You pay a lot of points for the GoI mobility. By adding Epistolary to it, you're investing even more points in one unit. Imo, take minimal Librarian with full Sternguard unit (10).
- You might be overdoing it on the Locator Beacons. It's great to be able to pinpoint the GoI but having 2 or 3 seems enough to me.
- If you start 2nd, you'll have lost the TFC's since there's nothing else for your opponent to shoot at.

- The Librarian with Sternguard is a great combo but expensive. You pay a lot of points for the GoI mobility. By adding Epistolary to it, you're investing even more points in one unit. Imo, take minimal Librarian with full Sternguard unit (10).

Agreed I'd also advise a few heavy flamers for this tactic annihilates infantry of any variety then (even TEQ struggle with the amount of wounds you'll be putting on them).

- You might be overdoing it on the Locator Beacons. It's great to be able to pinpoint the GoI but having 2 or 3 seems enough to me.

Nah you can never have too many locator beacons particularly if you are doubling up on the gate + sternguard.

- If you start 2nd, you'll have lost the TFC's since there's nothing else for your opponent to shoot at.

Well theres the scouts as well... surely you'd just ninja if you went 2nd or at least hide the TFCs out of LoS?

1850pts & to answer you have 12 combi meltas or 2x6. One melta, one multi-melta and two rocket launchers.

Extremely poor killy. OOT on anti-infantry.

Librarian 100 (Gate and Force Dome)

Librarian 100 (Gate and Force Dome)



Troops

8 Scouts with Cloaks, Sniper rifles, and Missile Launcher 132

x2 TAC squad with Melta, and MM (In Drop Pod with Locator Beacon) 220


Fast Attack

Scout bikers (8)
3x Grenade Launchers, PF, cluster mines, Locator Beacon 250


Elites

2x Sternguard (8) with 6 combi-meltas and 2 heavyflamers (In Drop Pod with Locator Beacon) 295


Heavy support

2x Thunderfire cannons 100


Total: 1848points.



Well I've updated the list as per the suggestions of Razerous, Flingitnow, and shrubs.

I now have a lot more anti-tank, and better anti-horde... Are there any more suggestions from the wise sages of dakka?

Youve added one multi-melta and one melta and lost a rocket launcher. Edit: That is not a real improvement. If you want my suggestion (read on);

Flesh out the list by starting with one FULL squad of sternguard with a near-full compliment of combi-weapons. Heavy flamer is good. 10men allows you the option to combat-squad upon leaving the pod and shooting your combi-melta's at two different targets, useful in a mech-heavy environment. It also allows you to stagger you combi-weapon shooting, again useful if you want to knock out a transport then roast the occupants or save a few shots for insurance latter on.

Then add in your choice of terminator squad, be it assault/shooty..

Then by all means keep your thunerfires, scout bikers and so on, you have a decent amount of mobile killy.

(Also, this way you will only have 3 pods (2x tac and 1x stern) as the 2nd libby will be on foot with terminators, which provides you with a more efficient assault force. )

The problem with assault terminators is that while durable, they are slow, and rely on C&C (obviously) to make up their points.

I realize that movement wise, they will be just as fast as the teleporting sternguard, but they will not be able to assault until their next turn. I understand how powerful terminators are, but the whole point of the army is to be able to concentrate a lot of firepower on one unit, then move on. Because of the need to deepstrike, then assault, CC termies aren't very good for the synergy of this list imho.

Terminators however are a possible choice, they have a great constant 24" range, and I can give them chainfists and maybe an assault cannon or heavy flamer to fill whatever role I need them to complete. They are also extremely durable and would allow the librarian to get a different power other than force dome.

However, even if i used the points left over from a small terminator unit, I would still only have a maximum of 8 combi-meltas, so even if i combat squaded, I would have less anti-tank ability.

Also, I already have two sternguard units, so the point you raised about having staggered squads is already addressed.

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