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Hi all

Having recently gotten copies of the RT Ork books (after no little amount of searching), I realised just how much has been 'lost' fluff wise from current armies (I knew it had been reduced, but didn't realise just how much).

With the Orks for example, they have focused on the brute savage aspect of their character which is all well and good, but one thing I had problems with is how could a race exist like this. If the current codex is to be believed, all Orks do is fight, and if this was the case, then they would only be a threat if you attacked a world they were on because they would be too busy fighting until only one was left (thats how I read the current codex)

Reading the RT books, its suddenly made clear that or though they are warlike and love to fight, there is a proper social structure behind it. To me, this not only gives more depth to them, but also made me fall in love with them again.

The other thing while I was thinking, is this lack of depth is probably a huge reason for the number of 'fluffless' armies around. I realise the army lists also have contributed to this, but I think the lack of indepth fluff is the biggest reason.

A new player will pick up the ork codex and see brutal warrior race who fights for no other reason than to fight, so how can they be expected to know about previous fluff. I personally would love to see GW release 'fluff' books. No army lists, no rules, not a story book, just indepth fluff.

No real question, just my thoughts, be greatful for any comments or thoughts you have on the subject.

Ian

Check out the GorkaMorka books if you get a chance..

If gives extensive back ground on what an Orky world would be like
and also includes the 'ummies that wish dey wuz Orkz!!

I have always loved that the back ground with the orks is basically an extreme Darwinian society..

Couldnt agree more. I have been an on and off 40k wargame player for nearly 20 years more off than on moslty due to not liking either the company or the players. However from the day my 11 year old eyes glimpsed the pages of my first GW book I was hooked on the fluff and have been for the entire 20 years. Whether I played or not I was always a fan of the fluff and continued to pursue it. Fluff is what makes the game fun, without it its just a collections of cheap plastic and pewter that have numbers attached to them.

I have the general assumption that orks just wana kill kill kill kill.

If you want fluff take a visit to the black library.
Wana read a dark eldar vs. penal legion battle? read the Last Chancers
Wana read about how Tau bring a world under their influence? Read For the Emperor
Wana read a novel that actually makes the CSM seem noble, and gain a glimpse at what makes them tick? read Dark Apostle
Wana read the Best 40k novel ever? Read Dead Sky, Black Sun.

Solly wrote:Check out the GorkaMorka books if you get a chance..

I second this. You can find the GorkaMorka rulebook and background book (called 'The Uvver Book') on the games workshop website. In fact here is a link to Uvver Book

Thanks for the link!!!

the running theory round my gaming group is that orks have to be the most powerful psykers in the galaxy (next to the hive mind Nids) How else do any of their vehicles, guns, power claws, space ships etc etc work. There used to be something (in 3rd ed dex) about how ork weapons don't function in Imperial hands, but in the hands of an ork it fires perfectly. Which would also explain how the red ones go faster. This was always a lot of fun to talk about because, Ork are strongest psykers in the galaxy they are just to stupid to realize it lol.

hcordes wrote:There used to be something (in 3rd ed dex) about how ork weapons don't function in Imperial hands, but in the hands of an ork it fires perfectly.

Puny 'umiez can't squeeze da trigga...

Yeah that was in the old 3rd edition dex, it's a theory by an imperial scholar (later denounced heretic) that states that like nearly all organisms, orks possess some inherent psychic ability, and that this is amplified by being around other orks (cf wierdboys). However this also extends to the technology, the fact that loads of orks believe a weapon works means that it does, and it is the psychic ability of the mob that makes thier weapons/vehicles work

Leigen_Zero wrote:Yeah that was in the old 3rd edition dex, it's a theory by an imperial scholar (later denounced heretic) that states that like nearly all organisms, orks possess some inherent psychic ability, and that this is amplified by being around other orks (cf wierdboys). However this also extends to the technology, the fact that loads of orks believe a weapon works means that it does, and it is the psychic ability of the mob that makes thier weapons/vehicles work

also theres a pic in that same book, of a "growing" ork, in the ground, with some fungus/plant growing on the surface... so they were always psykic potato's lol