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Hi,

I recently made a wash following these instructions
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2007/06/tutorial-death-guard-in-7-easy-steps.html
BUT the wash is covering my marines pretty well its just NOT going into the recess at all!



here are my ingredients

1 part black ink
1 part dark brown paint
6 parts ogaryn wash
12 pars water

then i decided to water it down even more so its probabley 20 parts water now. then I added a litle more black wash.

Any Ideas on how to get this wash to flow into the cracks more?

I think i heard something about dawn?



I do not want to make a new wash I just want to fix this one becaue I allready made a really big pot for my whole army

I don't have any tips, but in the future test before you make in bulk. Sorry....

Dawn (dish soap) should help with the surface tension of all the water you've got in there. You really won't need much in there to help things out.

I've also heard of flow-aids that can help with this.

thanks,

Im adding dawn right now

You may also want to cover the model with a glossy clear coat to make sure the wash goes where wou want it.

Water is an awful medium for washes. If you're going to drybrush anyway, just use the GW wash without the water.

The article from BOLS neglected to tell you there's an art to painting this way. You can't just slop the wash onto the model and have it work out just right. You need to work the wash into the crevices to start, then spread it out onto the rest of the model.

back to the wash thing

I AM SUCH A NOOB!!!

I screwed everything up. First as you read earlier my wash was pooling and not flowing into the recesses. Then against my girlfriends advice (what do women know) I added too much dawn. So my second squad had a wash that flowed into the recesses perfectly but wait.... now they look nothing like the first squad.


ooh it gets better. To fix this little problem I then added more water to the mix for half my termies. Then decided I needed more paint in the mix. So I poured in some black ink, some bestial brown and some other foundation brown.

Now I take this mix too my assault marines which were cleverly just airbrushed white and not primed (which I did against everything I read) now the surface of these models is taking none of the wash and it is just flowing perfectly into the recesses, which unfortunately wasn't all I wanted out of my wash. oh and my rhino and dread do the same thing

first squad with both washes:


second squad only with second wash:


third squad with more water, ink and brown paint (they look totally different)


terminator squad ( two different mixes. I couldn't tell you what was in them if I wanted to)


The assault squad (these are the guys it’s really not sticking to. and I think that is because of the fact that they were airbrushed but not primed)


and my dread for giggles





WHAT DO I DO???

On top of this I am color blind so, I’m not exactly sure how I am going to color correct this problem. Do you think the dirt wash matters? will it show though after two layers of white dry brushing? Do I need to dry brush so brown onto the model that weren't primed? or what

This is exactly why you test out new ideas *ON JUNK* That way if you get a big steamy mess like whats on your hands, you can figure it out before moving onto the real deal. I think they look pretty good right now. I guess the best way is to just take a mini and drybrush it to see what happens, since your already on the road to a superclean bath

Oh Dude,...
If nothing else, you're persistent.

I commend your tenacity, and its good to see your taking this lightly but I see a stripping in your future and not the good kind.

simple green it is

crap

i dont think you will need to strip them, as you have only washed them, i guess you can just spray again.

just test it on one of your models and see how you go.

with the was, you added too much water. with washes you dont even need water. your best bet is to just stick with one wash. it really also depends on what colour you want. you should coat your marines in a foundation paint first, THEN wash it. so if you want them red, paint with machrite then wash devlan mud etc.

what colour do you want to go for?


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also with your terminators...
put them on a bigger base. they will look ALOT better if you do.

they are going to be white.

Someone suggested I just forget my dirt wash and use a standard badab black

btoliver311 wrote:simple green it is

crap

Did you just over look my post or something?! Why do so many people persist on using something doesnt work remotely close as SuperClean does. It just boggles the mind.


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Oh yea, I read how that guy makes his washes, and its WAY over complicated. I make my washes and they turn out great every time. I take a bottle with a dropper (I used an empty childrens tylenol bottle) I put some dish soap(a couple drops will do) then about half full of water. After that shake the piss out of it so it becomes foamy.
Then in a mixing pot, put a dab or two of the color your going for, lets say a browny/dirt wash color. So use any shade of brown that is what you want. Then take the dropper, and pick up only soap foam. With the one I use, it only takes about 4 full droppers of foam to make the mix perfect. Then mix together.

I use a paper towel to test out how diluted it is. If I can stick a brush in the wash, and dab it on the towel, I want it to go strait to the low parts of the paper towel, and let a bit of the white show through on the raised parts of the towel.

Done and done

i already had simple green. I hope it works ok for a recently white undercoat but if not I will get the SUPER.

I've been using Les' washes (he has a thread up on dakka regarding his wash recipe and they work great.

SG is nice if you have small children or pets and must strip where they can get access to the parts in question. SG odors also won't kill you. Superclean might work better but in Mn winter I do not relish sitting in my unheated garage for hours at a time washing paint off parts when SG can sit in my room giving off a quite pleasant smell and where I can sit and listen to music or a movie in the background while scrubbing paint.

SG works just fine on un-cleared minis. Cleared minis take more work but the whole nature of clear coat is to not just fall off.

Yeah,

I was actaully thinking about you using Les' soft body black wash and forgeting my homemade wash. Or maybe just use some delvian mud. What ev, at least this time I will do more test minis.

I will get some purple power of super clean tomorrow if ths Simple green doesn't do the job.

If you can get your solution right, a few guys in the FLGS have been doing a superb job of painting with inks. I was very impressed, but it takes a long time - and I'm not the most patient person

Before you strip everything, have you tried working any of these back up to white? At the end of the wash step you really are only looking to get color in the recesses. You have that in most cases. You can easily dry brush or better yet block paint up from these. However, try a model, see if you like it first.

I think your terminators look the best from a perspective of what you'd like the wash to be doing.

thanks,

I like how the termies look too.

I did try working up to white but it was really hard with vallejo white and wasn't quite working. So I am simple greening now and preparing to start over this weekend. The wash should end up looking like what you saw on the termies. I just don't know why my white drybrush isn't covering or sticking to anything.

Do I need to shake vallejo OR should I go back to GW


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i]"out of the simple green bath into the fire"[/i]

The guys before I took them out of their day and a half bath in simple green


My "SUPER CLEAN" trunk after finding out the lid wasn't on the SUPER CLEAN i bought at checker auto.


of course everything came off of the metal figures. Primer and airbrushed base


they actually look pretty cool, a nice a patina


And the models that weren't primed like they should be. As you can see all the paint came of these dudes, which is great!


However the primer didn't come off the other models but I think some of the base did. Its really hard to tell and this picture isn't helping




SOOOO

ITS TIME FOR THE PURPLE





NO!!!!!

Someone really ought to post a How To: not mess things up.

For starters, dawn is key. Secondly, that whole thing you did with changing and adding more etc...it may sound crazy, but WYSIWYG. Change the wash and it's going to come out different. Find something that works and stick with it. Maybe a -little- tweaking if you change armies or think it needs to be a tad more black, but nothing else. Don't leave it open and let it evaporate either. Third, and not everyone does this, but I do (some of) my washes the same way people say to use thin paint. I don't do one black wash. I do 2-5 really thin ones, it lets me pool things repeatedly in really deep cloak crevices and the like. One thing to remember when using thin washes is to rotate the model. It's going to pool. Do standing, upside down, front back side to side etc.

Really though like the folks said, you're persistent, that can lead to success if your not a nooch, but don't do the whole squad. It'll save you primer, time, and least importantly brain cells.

thank you everyone for your help. I will be ending this post and continuing it on my White Templar WIP
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/278364.page