Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/16 18:34:06
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
|
I recently got back into warhammer, and on my lastest visit to the local games workshop I have found that inks no longer exist as they have been replaced with 'washes'
Not to complain about the washes... they have their bonouses, however the necron army I never finished had this colour scheme of mithril silver, and just dabs of Chestnut Ink to give them a more rusted effect (I find plain silver necrons to be a bit boring)... Here are some pics of what I'm talking about:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/82566-Necron%20Warriors.html
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/82567-Necron%20Immortals.htm
My REAL question is, is there another company, or maybe an art store that sells something similar to the old Chestnut Ink? ( might have been Flesh Wash, I can't really remember)
I'm trying to expand my army and keep the colour scheme consistent
Thanks!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/16 19:53:02
Subject: Re:Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
|
Vallejo do a brown ink that should do the job. Plus you'll get a bigger bottle than GW paint and it's cheaper too. So either do a search online for someone selling vallejo game colour brown ink, or check out your local hobby stores to see if they sell vallejo paint. If you're not worried about paying postage ebay is always an option too.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/16 20:12:45
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Battlefield Professional
|
The loss of Chestnut ink is still a tragic lamentation, I remember reading the dispatch announcing that GW was discontinuing the inks, feeling like Obi-Wan after Alderan got blown away.
I've been using Privateer inks for most of my inking needs lately, and they've filled the gap well enough. There's no direct analog for Chestnut though; PP Brown ink mixed with a little PP red ink gets you close, but it's not the same.
-Dis.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/16 21:51:41
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Hellacious Havoc
|
"It was if a million people cried out..."
I was so disappointed to hear about the discontinuing of inks. Chestnut was my favorite too. I bought every jar I could at the time.
I have found that adding GAC 100 1:1 to Vallejo paints gives a very similar effect to the old GW inks.
|
I play:
1000 pt Sons of Calthus
1000 pt Splinter Fleet Goliath |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 07:40:38
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Hardened Veteran Guardsman
|
OMG they discontinued chestnut ink! I shall have to start rationing my half pot to essential use only, which is like, all the time..
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 08:12:14
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
|
Alas I have a full pot of the ever loved Chestnut ink, and it will likely stay full as I fear the loss of using it. Perhaps on a special project one day.
The new washes are nice as a shade, and I really like the matte effect they have(makes metals look tarnished). But inks had a VERY specialized use that washes are not meant for at all.
I believe other companies still make inks, such as Vallejo. Worst case scenario start using real acrylic inks from an art supplier like dickblick.
|
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 08:16:35
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Lady of the Lake
|
Still have the black ink. Can't paint the Avatar without it
Although it's not very hard to find black ink...
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 11:17:29
Subject: Re:Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Grovelin' Grot Rigger
|
Check out an artist shop with Artist inks.
I've a windsor and newton ink that is very like chestnut.
http://www.winsornewton.com/products/inks/drawing-inks/
I think it's burnt Sienna, This chart dosn't give a good representation of it though
http://www.winsornewton.com/products/inks/drawing-inks/colour-chart/
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 13:53:34
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
|
If you really run out of ideas, you can water down one of your brown GW paints. Hope you find something that works, though.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 16:46:46
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
|
Sure- the other big paints companies all do inks still:
That's P3 from Privateer Press
Master Paints from Reaper
Game Color from Vallejo
Another option, you can check out Higgins. They're a hobby brand that doesn't have anything to do with miniatures or gaming, but their inks work quite well.
They're mostly the same thing as the gamer's inks listed above, except they're quite a lot cheaper.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 20:09:51
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
|
Washes are good, but inks had their use. I used Chestnut Ink and then a watered down Bleach bone over white primer for my skin color. I only have half a pot of chestnut ink left.
I did go out and buy 4 pots of purple ink.
|
On Dakka he was Eldanar. In our area, he was Lee. R.I.P., Lee Guthrie. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 20:23:08
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Been Around the Block
|
ozimekad wrote:
My REAL question is, is there another company, or maybe an art store that sells something similar to the old Chestnut Ink? ( might have been Flesh Wash, I can't really remember)
I see this question probably more than any other.
The answer: YES. There is another company that makes chestnut ink.
The company is called Coat D'Arms. They were actually the original makers of all the Citadel inks / washes before everything got farmed out to China.
Coat D'Arms still makes the ORIGINAL Chestnut Ink color but just slaps one of their company stickers on it instead of the old GW/Citadel stickers.
You can find Coat D'Arms paints here: http://www.scalecreep.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1436_1437_1439
Don't be fooled by an out of stock symbol either. These guys are awesome and will order however much you need when they order their re-stocks.
If you have any other questions, let me know and I'll be happy to help.
|
Check our "How to Paint" tutorials on Youtube at:
http://www.youtube.com/AGProductionsInc
God bless you! |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 22:04:11
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
|
Graphics art companies like Winsor & Newton sell both acrylic inks and shellac based inks.
Shellack needs to be thinned with distilled water and can't be mixed with acrylic paints. It can easily be used as a layer in painting.
There is a good variety available. Google them.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/17 23:35:25
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
Reaper Inks here.
They have a couple of brown. Not sure if that matches your discontinued chestnut ink or not.
Best of luck.
|
DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/18 02:50:39
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
|
I second that Coat d'Arms inks will be a 1:1 match with old GW inks. I think one of the reasons GW switched providers was that CdA mixes their batches by hand and had QA problems from one batch to the next, so two pots of blood red may have had slight color differences. Inks are not so much as most of them aren't really mixes of several other paints.
Either way, if you want the real thing, CdA is as close as you'll get.
That or you can buy my chestnut, black, blue, red, purple and flesh wash inks for the low low price of $25 ea!!!
Since they were discontinued and I've started making my own washes I don't use them ever.
|
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/18 03:30:00
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
|
Twenty-Five dollars for a pot of ink? Who pays that?
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/18 03:35:58
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
|
OOP makes them valuable? I posted a high price simply because that's about what it would take for me to part with them. In all likelyhood they will sit in storage for the rest of my life.
|
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/18 16:30:31
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
|
Well, sure they're out of production, but it isn't that hard to find something that fits the bill.
I figure that if I were looking to pay 25 bucks for a pot of paint, I would check to make sure I couldn't get something suitable anywhere else.
And Games Workshop really doesn't have a monopoly on great paints, so it isn't that hard to get a suitable chestnut.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/18 16:39:35
Subject: Re:Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
|
AGProductions, if that really is the chestnut ink you have made my day.
I have been rationing myself to try and make my last pot last. Now I can use it as much as I like.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/19 00:15:03
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Noble of the Alter Kindred
United Kingdom
|
sorry to ask a dumb questionj
but...
I thought the inks were used as washes, but some of the above posts mention specific functions the new washes cannot do.
What is that please, ie what is the difference twixt a wash and an ink?
thanks in advance
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/02/19 00:38:46
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/19 00:29:25
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
|
Technically, the GW washes are actually glazes.
Inks had almost no surface tension and a very glossy finish.
For the most part, inks didn't change the shade of the item you covered, it simply flowed into the recesses and shaded those areas.
The new washes change the entire tone of the color they are covering, and are much thicker than inks.
|
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/19 00:37:43
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Noble of the Alter Kindred
United Kingdom
|
Thank you for clarifying- much appreciated
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/19 00:53:07
Subject: Re:Remember Inks...?
|
 |
[ADMIN]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
4M2A wrote:AGProductions, if that really is the chestnut ink you have made my day.
I have been rationing myself to try and make my last pot last. Now I can use it as much as I like.
It is the truth. I bought some of the old paints through them as well (worm purple, enchanted blue, etc). I've done a side by side comparison and they match moreorless exactly.
|
Check out our new, fully plastic tabletop wargame - Maelstrom's Edge, made by Dakka!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/19 19:57:01
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
|
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:sorry to ask a dumb questionj
but...
I thought the inks were used as washes, but some of the above posts mention specific functions the new washes cannot do.
What is that please, ie what is the difference twixt a wash and an ink?
thanks in advance
Inks are basically pure liquid pigment. They can be used as glazes, washes, and for cool effects like rust and dripping oil. The new GW washes are pretty much watered down inks. They have a flow medium added to them and the colors are less saturated than the old inks. You can achieve similar results to the new washes by simply adding some Future and water to inks. I still prefer inks for many applications, but I have picked up some of the GW washes and they are convenient for some uses.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/19 23:51:49
Subject: Remember Inks...?
|
 |
Noble of the Alter Kindred
United Kingdom
|
Thanks Todosi
they sound rather useful for all sorts of stuff.
might have to get some and have a play
|
|
|
 |
 |
|