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All right this forum is for the necrons and the lore from the whole void dragon on mars. plese contribute any info or arrgument you have on the topic.

Yes, it will awaken. When the Astronomican fails, the Emperor is reborn, and the end of the current 40k universe comes about. In other words, as soon as GW goes bankrupt or is unable to continue the company for various reasons.

What is this Void dragoon on that red planet ?

Does it anywhere state it is a C'tan on Mars or does it just hint it may be a C'tan that is incarcarated on Mars?
All you got is a "knight fighting a dragon" , which is happening in the medieval age and so could be either a
true story or a description of some hightech viewed from a lowtech perspective.
In short, if GW intended to hint on something in the form of a dragon and your assumed creature comes as that, then
it may be so. OTOH, if they used the meaning of it, then its just a colorful description of the "good vs evil " principle.

From what knowledge I've gained, it's a fairly certain thing. Firstly, there's hardly anything else in the universe we know of that could be it. Secondly, the sheer power it exudes is definitely what gave the Mechanicum its abilities to achieve so much in a relatively short time. Thirdly, why else would it need to be guarded if not because finding it would prove that the Emperor was A) wrong, or B) He let the Mechanicum basically utilise xenos tech.

1hadhq wrote:What is this Void dragoon on that red planet ?

Does it anywhere state it is a C'tan on Mars or does it just hint it may be a C'tan that is incarcarated on Mars?
All you got is a "knight fighting a dragon" , which is happening in the medieval age and so could be either a
true story or a description of some hightech viewed from a lowtech perspective.
In short, if GW intended to hint on something in the form of a dragon and your assumed creature comes as that, then
it may be so. OTOH, if they used the meaning of it, then its just a colorful description of the "good vs evil " principle.

Well apperently there is a c'tan named the viod dragon sleeping on mars and is also said to be the so called machine god that mars worships

I thought it was awake, didnt the BIG E (emperor) imprison it way back in the day? I mean hes imprisoned but supposedly he controls his captors on mars or holds sway over them. alot on him is in the lexicanum. But if he does break out i think the Imperial Navy/Marines will just recapture or kill it.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Dragon

If it gets out, that's the end. It's a C'Tan. It seems to be cloaked while there so the Necrons/other C'Tans can't find it. My bet would be that as soon as its bonds were broken, it's game over for the Solar System and Terra.

The Dragon is pretty dangerous, but it would likely be weak after slumbering for so long.

Or somebody like failbaddon or the tyranids will reach Terra and wake the damn thing up.

At which point I'd love to see it/the Crons show up and kill just about EVERYONE in sight.

They'll probably make it a semi awakened state when Necron gets update to spark some excitement.

http://www.amazon.com/Horus-Heresy-Mechanicum-Graham-McNeill/dp/1844166066/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266385829&sr=8-9

Read it.

It's kind of awake, but imprisoned. The true question is if the Emperor made it imobile in the 11th Century, when did he take it to Mars? When it was terraformed in M3 (2100 going by our timeline for those interested)?

It's seen as the Machine God, by the few that actually know about it. Most of them have no idea it's even there. It also doesn't really control the guardians either, they have a bit of the Emperor's power (was hinted at heavily) and simply guard it from "it's lost children".


If you want more information on the Void Dragon, it's best to read Mechanicum as well as the information gained from Lexicanum. Another thing to look at is the 40k timeline. Emperor is really really old. A lot of Imperial technology was learnt from the Void Dragon apparently.

Also topic title should be marked to show that this thread will have a lot of spoilers in it. Just saying the Void Dragon is on Mars is a spoiler

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:If it gets out, that's the end. It's a C'Tan. It seems to be cloaked while there so the Necrons/other C'Tans can't find it. My bet would be that as soon as its bonds were broken, it's game over for the Solar System and Terra.

Just get Zogwort to turn it into a squig...

Hey, it works on the other C'Tan.

So we still insist on the creature beiing a C't an?

As far as i got into mechanicum, the Emperor took this prisoner from Terra.
-necrons on terra?
-emperor dumb enough to keep a ctan near to a sun/more necrons?

Its a trap.
When those pesky traitors and aliens think they stand a chance to reach Terra,
the bonds will break and the creature is unleashed on them.

Bye - bye failbaddon and hive mind.....

Well, we know there's been a small Necron fleet that teleported into this very solar system, touched down on Mars, of all places, and got their arses whipped.

I don't know... seems kinda weird that Necrons would go through all that trouble to send a recon force to... oh, let's say the biggest concentration of people who would like nothing more from life than to experiment on Necrons.

I mean, we know Necrons don't care about securing alliances, revenge, or even stolen property. The only reason they would go there was to recover something very important.

The whole Void Dragon possibility is a myth endorsed by GW to promulagate a possible rift between the Imperium and the Mechanicum.

If the Dragon is on Mars, if the dragon does "wake up" then the Sol system is gonna be in major peril.

The part above about it may coming to fruitition only if GW goes bankrupt - I could agree with that.

Pretty sure Culexus assassins use tech/powers derived from Void Dragon too, I could be wrong though

Archon Sarubel wrote:Pretty sure Culexus assassins use tech/powers derived from Void Dragon too, I could be wrong though

Culexus - anti psyker (no c'tan based weaponry here)

There is a C'tan phase sword used by an assasin but I'm not sure which ones..

If it is Culexus I will edit the post...

Are they the one's that have no presence in the warp? Because that was explained or at least hinted at elsewhere. It involves the Necrontyr. Happens really early in the timeline.

Pretty big spoiler.


What a twist


Also a bit of human technology is apparently learnt from the Void Dragon.

The phase sword is the weapon of the Callidus assassin, which also uses polymorphin to infiltrate into the enemys ranks.


So why do I still wait to see the source of a "void-dragon" existing?

It's on the same page that I linked in the above spoiler.

Necron 3rd ED Codex, page 26. The Old Ones strike back wrote:Faced with only 4 surviving C'tan (Nightbringer, Deceiver, Void Dragon, and Outsider) the young races are able to strike back, re-claiming the galaxy. The C'tan, united since millions of years, begin their work intended to ward the material universe from the Warp dimension forever.

n0t_u wrote:It's on the same page that I linked in the above spoiler.

Necron 3rd ED Codex, page 26. The Old Ones strike back wrote:Faced with only 4 surviving C'tan (Nightbringer, Deceiver, Void Dragon, and Outsider) the young races are able to strike back, re-claiming the galaxy. The C'tan, united since millions of years, begin their work intended to ward the material universe from the Warp dimension forever.

I am a bit lost here, as hard as I may look into the necron codex, I can't find a name of a C'tan at page 26....
just general "C'tan".

What i did find is the wellknown Nightbringer and the Deceiver, plus a small bit on a third one at page 25.
But still no "voiddragon".

I was SO excited when I first read the Necron codex. Not only was it essentially brand new fluff (albeit based on ideas that had been around for a while), but it also slotted in perfectly with existing fluff. Unlike the horrendous stuff in the 5th ed. rulebook timeline.

Does anyone know who wrote the Necron codex? St. Chambers perhaps?

Mine says: chambers, Haines, McNeill, Kelly & Hoare.

Weird. 5 designers for how many different units?
Lets hope it was 4 writers to create fluff and 1 is to blame for the rest.

1hadhq wrote:

n0t_u wrote:It's on the same page that I linked in the above spoiler.

Necron 3rd ED Codex, page 26. The Old Ones strike back wrote:Faced with only 4 surviving C'tan (Nightbringer, Deceiver, Void Dragon, and Outsider) the young races are able to strike back, re-claiming the galaxy. The C'tan, united since millions of years, begin their work intended to ward the material universe from the Warp dimension forever.

I am a bit lost here, as hard as I may look into the necron codex, I can't find a name of a C'tan at page 26....
just general "C'tan".

What i did find is the wellknown Nightbringer and the Deceiver, plus a small bit on a third one at page 25.
But still no "voiddragon".

I'm pretty sure The Dragon is named in some of the more obscure bits of fluff in the codex. Like the translation of the Eldar rune map. I'm fairly certain it's never referred to as the Void Dragon though, only The Dragon. Is the Void bit an invention of Mechanicum?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Dragon

I know it's a wiki, so there's not much faith in what's there but it's better than nothing..

1hadhq - that book is going in the post today.

1hadhq wrote:

n0t_u wrote:It's on the same page that I linked in the above spoiler.

Necron 3rd ED Codex, page 26. The Old Ones strike back wrote:Faced with only 4 surviving C'tan (Nightbringer, Deceiver, Void Dragon, and Outsider) the young races are able to strike back, re-claiming the galaxy. The C'tan, united since millions of years, begin their work intended to ward the material universe from the Warp dimension forever.

I am a bit lost here, as hard as I may look into the necron codex, I can't find a name of a C'tan at page 26....
just general "C'tan".

What i did find is the wellknown Nightbringer and the Deceiver, plus a small bit on a third one at page 25.
But still no "voiddragon".

Really? because that's the source they gave with it. Perhaps they added in the extra information from somewhere else. I guess I'll have to look for more something else.


@cerebaton: Nope I remember reading it as named the Void Dragon before the Mechanicum book came out and basically replaced the Ad Mech story.

@Solly:

Seems cerebaton is correct and the eldar have mentioned a "dragon" at page 5.

Since we have the Blood Ravens and Ultramarines fluff connected to the necron dex, ( and we should blame the blue boys for disturbing the grim reaper ), why can't GW stick with such compatible approach on background instead of the last ( nids )
codex?

If the eldar are not deceived, and thus a future of fully awakened C'tan awaits, will the investment in meltaguns pay for itself?

Alright quick search showed that it is the C'tan that transformed the Necrontyr into the Necron. It is apparently the strongest C'tan.

Also that there are apparently brief mentions of it on pages 5 and 49 of the Necron Codex.

He traveled to Mars and imprisoned the entity within the Noctis Labyrinth, purposefully not destroying it. The creature is described as having "drunk the heart of stars" and "worshiped as a god", which heavily implies it to be a C'Tan. It had no name of its own, but the Emperor dubbed it "The Dragon of Mars", and bound it there.

Only three sources they say for the Void Dragon article are the Necron Codex, Mechanicum and a link to an article on the Games Workshop site. Which doesn't seem to exist anymore >_>

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Dragon
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/C%27tan

But there's actually less evidence of the Outsider's existance than there should be of the Void Dragon.

I'll try looking a little more later.

EDIT: I didn't even see Solly's post


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Melta guns probably won't as the C'tan will only become super strong if the Necron Codex is upgraded and then they'd probably have some shenanigans to avoid it

@n0t_u: I wouldn't base your research on second hand sources like lexicanum.com. A lot of what they say is conjecture rather than information directly from the sources.

As I said before, it's only named once in the Necron book, and even then it's not called the Void Dragon.