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Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





This is the list I probably will take for the St. Valentines day Massacre GT in Media PA. Have it pretty much finalized but have a few last decisions I'd like your opinions on please. Don't have extra Chimeras or Manticores available to make the suggested changes in the other thread but I will get some for next time.

Is the Inquisitor Lord with Hood worth the 51 pts? Hood is worth it if I play versus Nids with Warp Blast and Catalyst,. space Wolves with Murderous Huricane and Tempests Wrath, Eldar with Fortune or Dual Lash. However at Conflict I played 3 Vulkan marine lists, dark eldar and guard mirror without pbs and the hood was largely useless.

Instead of the Hood I can either get Demolitions for the second Vet squad, or a Officer of the Fleet and get 2 more Psykers for the Psyker battle squad for the strength 8 large blast. Having 2 demolitions squads can be good vs the vulkan dual raider or parking lot Squadron IG lists and the strength 8 blast is good for insta killing toughness 4 multiwound and gives you some leeway for losing psykers if the chimera blows up.

Other decision is 3 Vendettas or 2 Vendettas and 1 Valkyrie with Missle pods? I do want more anti horde but still need Anti tank that isn't meltas and Vendettas get targeted pretty darn fast so having 3 of them is good.

HQ
Company Command Squad
4 melta astropath
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
175

Daemon Hunter Inquisitor Lord
psychic hood, 3 mystic, emperor's tarot
(goes in vendetta)
(Big question here is the Hood worth the 51 pt premium over an Elite Inquisitor? Can go with just an Elite Inquisitor with 2 mystic and tarotafford both Demolitions for the second veteran squad or get an Officer of the Fleet for 30 pts and get 2 more psykers for the battle squad for total of 8 psykers for 20 pts or do something else with the points.)
98

Elite
Psyker battle squad
2 additional Psykers for 6 total
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
135

Marbo
65

Troops
10 veterans
3 melta gun demolitions
(goes in Valkyrie)
130

10 veteran
3 melta gun
(goes in Vendetta)
100

10 veterans
3 plasma, las cannon
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
190

10 veterans
2 plasma, las cannon
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
175

Fast Attack
Vendetta
130

Vendetta
130

Valkyrie
Missle Pods
130
(Maybe this should be a 3rd Vendetta? I want more anti horde but it feels like I don't have enough anti tank either.)

Heavy Support
Leman Russ Executioner
Plasma Sponsons and Hull Heavy Flamer
230

Manticore
Hull Heavy Flamer
160

Total 1848



Stats
antihorde: 4 heavy flamers on chimeras, d3 large blasts from manticore, 1x vets with demo charges, marbo with demo charge
hard infantry: 1xvets with 3 melta and demo charge, 1x vets with 3 melta, 2x vets with 2 plasma gun + 1 las cannon, executioner with plasma sponsons
landraider/battlewagon: ccs with 4 melta in chimera , 1xvets with 3 melta + melta bombs in valkyrie , 1x vets with 3 melta in vendetta , manticore
long range transport kill: 2 x vendetta with 3 tl las cannon, 2 las cannons on vets in chimeras, 4 multi lasers on chimeras
scoring units: 4 total, 2 in valkyrie, and 2 in chimeras.

Choice Explanations
CCS with 4 Meltas is great for anti tank and a great deterent for tanks to get close to my lines. bring it down for twin linking is great when you really want a tank dead. Astropath is good if I don't get first turn against some high firepower mech lists like the Maximum Overdrive space wolves or lance spam dark eldar so I come in from reserves faster to get the first shot.

DH Inquisitor is always included for anti deepstrike and the tarot for the +1 to go first 5/6 of the time. with all the daemons and pod lists lately its pretty good. This time gave the Lord upgrade for the leadership 10 hood to have some psyker defense. Its expensive but it might be worth it versus Tyranid Zoanthropes/Catalyst, Dual Lash, Space Wolf Tempests Wrath. Big question is will I play thoses lists? I didn't at conflict and the hood was a huge waste of points.

Psyker battle squad is the win button versus uber units like Nob bikers. Make them leadership crap and shoot them till they make a test and they start running. turbo boast a valkyrie close to them so they run again. If there is no uber unit a large blast template that is ap3 or better half the time isn't too shabby.

Marbo is pretty good if there are no kill points because that takes away his main drawback that he gets dead after tossing his demo pack. He can be pretty effective and usually makes up his 65 points.

Vets with meltas and melta bombs are for killing high av vehicles. They can first turn assault vehicles that didn't move with melta bombs out of Valkyries after they scout move. demo charge is good versus hard infantry like nobs or regular terminators and not bad vs hordes.

Vets in Chimera with plasma and las cannon also sit back near my objective and shoot at vehicles or use plasma for clean up of marines that fall out of transports

2 Vendettas for transport hunting and dropping off melta vets.

1 valkyrie with missle pods for anti horde / infantry and droping off melta vets. maybe this should be a 3rd vendetta?

Executioner kills Marines that fall out of busted transports.

Manticore D3 Str10 AP4 large blast nuff said good vs hordes and decent anti land raider.
   
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The biggest thing I notice is that this list lacks in the long range fire department. You have plenty of melta weapons but as for laying the hurt downrange you rely on your manticore and vendettas. The problem there is that if you have your vendettas shoot you aren't moving (or if you are you aren't shooting effectively) Against a CC army its not a problem they are generally coming to you, but you are going to be at a disadvantage against gun line armies as you have to decide between rushing forward to use your meltas or staying back to use your lascannons. Either way its going to reduce your overall firepower

As for inquisitor lords. Its great when fighting psykers but useless when not. So the question to ask is what pyschic powers are you afraid of, and will they do enough to your army to warrant the near 100 points


-Any terrain containing Sly Marbo is dangerous terrain.
-Sly Marbo once played an objective mission just to see what it was like to not meet every victory condition on his own.
-Sly Marbo bought a third edition rulebook just to play meat grinder as the attacker.
-Marbo doesn't need an Eldar farseer as an ally; his enemies are already doomed
-Sly Marbo was originally armed with a power weapon, but he dropped it while assaulting a space marine command squad just so his enemies could feel pain
-Sly Marbo still attacks the front armor value in assault, for pity's sake.  
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents

Hrm...

I think you have a very hard list. =p

I'm going to cross my fingers that I won't see it (or any like it) though; I think you'll probably end up classified as a power list and end up near the bottom of the comp scoring and get paired off against other high powered lists. I wouldn't stand a chance.

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Kirika wrote:
HQ
Company Command Squad
4 melta astropath
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
175


Solid

Kirika wrote:Daemon Hunter Inquisitor Lord
psychic hood, 3 mystic, emperor's tarot
(goes in vendetta)
(Big question here is the Hood worth the 51 pt premium over an Elite Inquisitor? Can go with just an Elite Inquisitor with 2 mystic and tarotafford both Demolitions for the second veteran squad or get an Officer of the Fleet for 30 pts and get 2 more psykers for the battle squad for total of 8 psykers for 20 pts or do something else with the points.)
98


I like the inq lord, w/2xmystics/3xvets w/plasma guns and hood. You can go with or without the tarot. Elite inq's can take mystics but should take 3 vet guards with either meltas or plasamas. Elite inq's should never take hoods.

Kirika wrote:Elite
Psyker battle squad
2 additional Psykers for 6 total
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
135


I think the chimera should have hhb. Solid choice.

Kirika wrote:Marbo
65


Dump him. I would rather find 15pts and take an elite inq w/3xvets armed with either melta or plasma.

Kirika wrote:Troops
10 veterans
3 melta gun demolitions
(goes in Valkyrie)
130

10 veteran
3 melta gun
(goes in Vendetta)
100

10 veterans
3 plasma, las cannon
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
190

10 veterans
2 plasma, las cannon
Chimera with Multi Laser & Hull Heavy Flamer
175


I think a platoon with a couple of vet squads (all melta) would be better. You can outfit the pcs with 4 flamers in a chimera to help with anti-horde. Take autocannon heavy weapon in the platoon squad and a flamer.

Kirika wrote:Fast Attack
Vendetta
130

Vendetta
130

Valkyrie
Missle Pods
130
(Maybe this should be a 3rd Vendetta? I want more anti horde but it feels like I don't have enough anti tank either.)


3 vendettas all the way. Your heavy support should be plenty.

Kirika wrote:Heavy Support
Leman Russ Executioner
Plasma Sponsons and Hull Heavy Flamer
230

Manticore
Hull Heavy Flamer
160

Total 1848


Not a bad list. Not bad at all.

Sourclams wrote:He already had more necrons than anyone else. Now he wants to have more necrons than himself.


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