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So, I always thought that Abaddon wasn't worth his point cost.

But I just looked up his stats and they are not too shabby.
He's basically a super quick Monstrous Creature.'
He can't be instant deathed (a very rare feature)
His initiative is super good, combine that with his high strength, and he can instant death most characters before they can attack.
His Invuln save isn't bad at all.

But does all this justify the fact that he costs almost 300 points?

In my mind he's like Ghazghkull Thraka, extremely expensive, but almost impossible to kill + he will own anything.

So yes, but only in 2000+ unless you're playing casual. Then you scare your opponents badly.

Delivery, Points Level, Oppurtunity Cost, Rolling 1's.
Those are the main issues with Abby.

If you can get around that...he's worth it, otherwise, no.

I voted no...nothing is worth 275 points in regular 40K that is a single model that has no force multipliers.

Sanctjud has it.

Ghazghkull is much, much better than Abaddon. Why? Because of his Waagh! With Ghazghkull, you get to give every single infantry unit in your army a guaranteed 6" extension to their normal charge range, which will generally ensure you have your entire army all up in the enemy's face on turn 3 at the latest. And as an added bonus, he becomes essentially unkillable for that turn, as well.

Is Abbadon worth it? Dunno, never played him. Ghazghkull is, but then Ghazghkull is 50 point cheaper and does more stuff.

BeRzErKeR wrote:Ghazghkull is much, much better than Abaddon. Why? Because of his Waagh! With Ghazghkull, you get to give every single infantry unit in your army a guaranteed 6" extension to their normal charge range, which will generally ensure you have your entire army all up in the enemy's face on turn 3 at the latest. And as an added bonus, he becomes essentially unkillable for that turn, as well.

Is Abbadon worth it? Dunno, never played him. Ghazghkull is, but then Ghazghkull is 50 point cheaper and does more stuff.

I compared the two to show 2 very high point cost hq's, he's the only one I could think of.

i think he is totally wort it. (as long as he is accompanied by termies)

eldarbgamer13 wrote:i think he is totally wort it. (as long as he is accompanied by termies)

He is worth it if he is not left alone, and he is better if there are units that cannot be broken in moral. So he also needs a LR which would drive his points up a massive amount, but when he is given these things to me he is a death star, i take him solely because he scares the crap out of the enemy.

I love using him, but I usually end up rolling a 1 at least once per game.
Then, of course, he fails his 4+ Invul and gets hammered by whatever he's meant to be killing.

But, he's also had a few fairly impressive games.
Near single-handedly taking out a unit of Grey Knight Terminators, Splattering a mob of Ork Nobs,
Crippling a Baneblade to allow my Chainfists to auto-hit, ect.

But yeah, give him Terminator shields.

(Also, I just like him because of the really cool model I use.)

Why terminator shields....taking away his fearless and allowing the opponent to potentially pin or make him fallback is a crazy bad thing...

NO, he does not give termies fearless or what not...if he's joined with termies he loses fearless.
Funny, in the turns he rolls 1 and the termies whiff, he can be rundown.

Sanctjud wrote:Why terminator shields....taking away his fearless and allowing the opponent to potentially pin or make him fallback is a crazy bad thing...

NO, he does not give termies fearless or what not...if he's joined with termies he loses fearless.
Funny, in the turns he rolls 1 and the termies whiff, he can be rundown.

Wait... since when does a fearless unit not transfer it to the unit he joins?

Since...forever... (With respect to 3rd, 4th, and 5th edition IIRC).
/facepalm.

The Great Enemy wrote:

Wait... since when does a fearless unit not transfer it to the unit he joins?

Chaos termies arn't fearless

Special characters don't confer fearless to groups, but groups can confer fearless to special characters.

Use Obliterators to escort him. Deepstrike the unit on an Icon to mitigate the Slow and Purposeful effect on the charge, and use the Obliterators to dismounted troops for Abbadon to reap.

@Nurglitch:
That is an idea.
But it banks on reserve rolls...fickle things they are.
Coming in earliest turn 2. First available turn to charge is turn 3, but it's not as realistic as turn 4.

But if you can get over that, then it's a viable combo, with Abby being a combat deterrant the turn they arrive and is able to suck up 1 instant killing wound on oblits each time they are shot at.

Chaos favours the bold!

In a huge game i think he is great. a 2k game is pushing it in my opinion though.

i have seen him take down half an army before falling to a squad of guardians....yeah that was awesome.

large game makes him less a target so he has a chance to get up close in a landraider. or it will scare your opponent into trying to nuke him before he gets in CC. leaving the rest of your army alone. if anything he is always a good distraction and i think adds flavor to a huge army.

His effectiveness largely depends on his opponents. He could be golden against Nobs, ICs, MEQ in general and some vehicles and MC too, but still he is a huge point sink and suck against hordes. It's very difficult for him and his squad in a Land Raider to kill enough enemies to pay off, because they tend to run away from him and shoot. He is "only" a cc beast, and without giving some additional rules to the rest of his army, like loyalist special characters do, 275 points is too much.

He is VERY good, and nigh on unstoppable in assault, he's generally been shown as the best non-monstrous creature character (rightly so) and will generally mash anything into a pulp.

However, as (Sanctjud particularly) said, he's very expensive and best used for larger games where he doesnt force you to design an entire force around him and will almost certainly make up his points. A particular problem with Abbadon in lower points games is that he'll generally require a delivery system (Land Raider) and an escort (termies, or ideally, IMHO, possessed) making him cost in excess of 600pts altogether.

Like with your best heavy support poll, I can't vote as the poll is too black and white...

he is very good. I have only seen him die once... harriously, he was killed by a gaunt's spine fist after massicuring many many of my other units

I would say with the release of new tyranids, he is definitely a viable (and SENSIBLE) choice in 2000+ or even 1500/1750 (although pushing it there) no matter the situation. He's a beast, but you need to give him backup no matter what. whether that's khorne berserkers, terminators, or whatever, He needs to have them as a meat shield.

epil wrote:he is very bad. I have only seen him live once... harriously(check spelling ), he was killed by a gaunt's spine fist after massicuring many many of my other units small arms

There, I fixed it for you epil.

I would say yes without hesitation. I often hear of him being called the most broken model in the game.

Do you have anything to back it up without hesitation? Maybe some rationale...preferably somewhat objective ones?

Sanctjud wrote:Do you have anything to back it up without hesitation? Maybe some rationale...preferably somewhat objective ones?

Nope, sorry to disappoint you.

Dedrith wrote:I would say yes without hesitation. I often hear of him being called the most broken model in the game.

Don't these to sentences majorly contadict each other?
Or is broken 40k terminology for "kick ass"

lordrevege wrote:

Don't these to sentences majorly contadict each other?
Or is broken 40k terminology for "kick ass"

"Broken" means "overpowered" in this context.

BeRzErKeR wrote:

"Broken" means "overpowered" in this context.

Oh. Thanks.
I should have never questioned your wisdom Dedrith

lol i love abby i use him with 8 kbs in a lr

i used to do a list like this

abby
8kb lr
10pm rhino
1000 points

ive also done

abby
6csm melta gun champ pfist
5 csm melta
500 points

insanely fun and would only really die against a hord shooty army that isnt ever used at my lgs

Abaddon rapes anything. Deepstrike with an assault terminator squad, proceed to eat tanks, MCs, and infantry for breakfast. He's utterly unstopable, especially if you pair him with some wound soakers. There are few, if any, mobs that can go up against abaddon, even Skarbald gets raped.

I stick him with Tzeench terminators, and let the rapesauce begin. I've never once had him die, not even to a boyz charge. had, like, 55 incoming models, which translated to, like, 165 incomming attacks. I just remember the one combat took almost 5 minutes of dicing to resolve, and that abaddon and his 5 terminators won the combat over and over until the end of the game.