How could you canada?(Danish curler brought to tears do to loud canadian fans)

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**garret**

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Candian-curling-fans-leave-Danish-player-in-tear?urn=oly,221320
The Danish deserve that medal not the the canadians. they broke the rules and should pay for it.

A Danish curler was brought to tears after a boisterous Canadian crowd intentionally distracted her during crucial shots in her team's match against the home nation. With the crowd stomping and making deafening noise, Denmark skip Madeleine Dupont missed two potentially game-winning shots and tearfully blamed the fans for it afterward. Canada won the match 5-4 in an extra end.

Such boorish fan behavior is normally considered unacceptable in the genteel world of curling.

After the match, Dupont told reporters:

"I could not control the weight on the last shot in the 10th. It should have been way slower, but when there are 6,000 people yelling, it's pretty hard to find out how hard you kick off. It's just so hard to focus. You're trying, but it's just not the same as if it was silent.

"If they were yelling this much when Cheryl was throwing, that would be more fair. You can't hear anything. You can't hear what your skip is saying. You can't hear what your sweepers are saying. You just have to do your best under the circumstances – and we did, but it was hard in the 10th."

There's nothing wrong with cheering loudly before and after points, but fans need to respect the etiquette of whichever sport they're watching and act accordingly. A luger knows he's going to hear cowbells ringing while negotiating turns at 90 mph, yet it wouldn't be fair if a spectator rang one during Evan Lysacek's free skate. If a curler is used to silence, a curler deserves silence.

Even the Canadian curling team agrees. Skip Cheryl Bernard said of the boisterous fans at the rink:

"I'm guessing 75 percent in there don't know the game that well and they're just there to cheer. You have to give them something for that, but I think we need to have it a little bit quieter for the opposition because it's uncomfortable for them."

That's more an indictment of the knowledge of fans rather than poor sportsmanship. Canadian fans will have a shot at redemption this week as their team plays in the medal rounds. Hopefully they'll cheer on their hometown teams with passion, just not during the other team's shots

**Clthomps**

Is there a rule that covers the crowd?

I am pretty sure there is lots of yelling and cheering in other events and no one cries about it. Take snowboarding for example, its hard to hear anything over the roar of the crowed during the event.

**ShumaGorath**

Outside forces shouldn't be able to effect the performance of the athletes. The canadian officials should have tried to quiet or control the crowd.

**LunaHound**

This guy is cool!

**person person**

I don't watch much curling but I saw a bit and even I could tell the crowd was way to loud for something like that.

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ShumaGorath wrote:Outside forces shouldn't be able to effect the performance of the athletes. The canadian officials should have tried to quiet or control the crowd.

Exactly.

**Shaman**

The home team always has the advantage.

In the skeleton the canadians have way more practice runs then anyone else. Don't here anyone bawling.

This women should give up competitive sports.

**Hawkins**

Yup if you cant take the heat, get outa the kitchen, and if you think thats bad try soccer in europe, fans are known to riot because they get to much into it..
Though i am disapointed that the canadian fans did get out of hand, the players are suppose to be profesional. if she couldnt get past the noise its her problem.

**ShumaGorath**

Hawkins wrote:Yup if you cant take the heat, get outa the kitchen, and if you think thats bad try soccer in europe, fans are known to riot because they get to much into it..
Though i am disapointed that the canadian fans did get out of hand, the players are suppose to be profesional. if she couldnt get past the noise its her problem.

The olympics are a competition between athletes, not athletes and idiots in the stands. If they can't be civil and unobtrusive than they shouldn't be there at all.

**Wrexasaur**

So... no actual rules were broken, and all that is left is the 'upstanding moral values', that everyone should associate with curling?

I'm not buying it. It may have been the case that the fans were unruly, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the rules. If there was no crowd control to begin with, then it is doubly the fault of the Canadians. In part because of the recent push to be more supportive and patriotic during the games, as well as the officials obvious underestimation of the outcome from such statements.

It does sound like a lot of sore loser talk TBTH, though I have never seen loud fans at a curling competition, there is no code of conduct that was made clear for the people attending. If 3/4 of the people there, did not give a damn about curling, then curling seems to be the upperist-class sport in the upperist-class olympics.

Those Canadian fans were BARBARIANS! HOW DARE THEY!

I find this mildly amusing in general...

ShumaGorath wrote:The olympics are a competition between athletes, not athletes and idiots in the stands. If they can't be civil and unobtrusive than they shouldn't be there at all.

Sounds pretty posh to me. I have never heard of anyone having a problem with cheering in any other event. I simply don't see the issue you present.

**Hawkins**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Hawkins wrote:Yup if you cant take the heat, get outa the kitchen, and if you think thats bad try soccer in europe, fans are known to riot because they get to much into it..
Though i am disapointed that the canadian fans did get out of hand, the players are suppose to be profesional. if she couldnt get past the noise its her problem.

The olympics are a competition between athletes, not athletes and idiots in the stands. If they can't be civil and unobtrusive than they shouldn't be there at all.

nonsense. the olympics like anything else is a sporting event, that relies onthe fans to bring in the money. if it werent then TV and media wouldnt cove it so largely. perhaps at one time it was as utopic as you seam to think, but not anymore. and i might add the game could have been stopped. order retored, and warnings given. dont stand so high on the soap box, america has had its fair share of shannanagans, and enthuiastic fauxpas in the past.

**Kilkrazy**

Hawkins wrote:Yup if you cant take the heat, get outa the kitchen, and if you think thats bad try soccer in europe, fans are known to riot because they get to much into it..
Though i am disapointed that the canadian fans did get out of hand, the players are suppose to be profesional. if she couldnt get past the noise its her problem.

It's nonsense to say the player should be professional. Curling is by tradition a quiet game, like bowling or cricket, not like football.

Wait until it happens to your team at the next Olympics.

Perhaps the Danes will turn up with a battery of 100 air horns in the front row. Will you just say your athletes should get past the noise?

**ShumaGorath**

nonsense. the olympics like anything else is a sporting event, that relies onthe fans to bring in the money.

Something tells me ticket sales for the curling arena aren't the big economic draw.

if it werent then TV and media wouldnt cove it so largely. perhaps at one time it was as utopic as you seam to think, but not anymore.

This sentiment is difficult to understand, but I think what you're saying is that the olympians should just get over the crowds being obtrusive and interfering because it's the olympics. My counterargument would be it's the olympics, it's perhaps the only sporting event in the world that is about the teams competing and the nations backing them and not the half drunk idiots mewling in their seats.

and i might add the game could have been stopped. order retored, and warnings given.

And wasn't. Good job Canada.

dont stand so high on the soap box, america has had its fair share of shannanagans, and enthuiastic fauxpas in the past.

And were the olympics in America right now or were it largely an American crowd rooting for an American team that might have mattered.

**Orkeosaurus**

The cheering wasn't against the rules; it was, however, either unsportsmanlike or inconsiderate, depending on how intentional it was. There's a hell of a lot of a difference in expectations between a football game in the NFL and curling at the Olympics. Can you imagine if during a golf championship everybody started yelling and stomping their feet as a put was being made? It would be absurd.

**ShumaGorath**

I don't see how it couldn't be against the rules. I'm sure the Canadian Commission has rules concerning unruly crowds or interference in an event.

**Orkeosaurus**

I'm sure it does regarding, say, the throwing of popcorn onto the arena. I'm also sure it doesn't specifically prohibit shouting, as otherwise they would have had to have been cracked down on.

If the prohibition is against "disruptive behavior" in general, I can see how their behavior could be considered in violation of it; however they're also going to look at precedence for this sort of thing, and if there's no precedence for the rule being enforced in response to noise I can see why they wouldn't attempt to start enforcing it then.

They should probably have something codified for the future, or at least come to an agreement about exactly how they'll respond to this sort of thing.

**Wrexasaur**

All I would like to hear, is a moderate apology, addressing the need for Canada to be patriotic in a respectful way.

In terms of the Danes bringing air horns, I would probably find that amusing as well.

**Albatross**

At wimbledon the umpire asks for 'quiet' during play, if the crowd are too noisy. Same thing with Snooker. Curling obviously requires a lot of concentration (apparently), so the Canadians acted fairly dishonourably, if you ask me.

Come on guys! We raised you better than that!

**Miguelsan**

Bah! A few years ago in a match between Real Madrid and Barcelona a pig´s head was thrown to Figo when he was going to kick off a corner. After that I stopped believing in sportmanship and well behaved fans in any sports events. And don´t get me started with playing in Greek soil where people are cult and cite Plato in the stadiums...not

M.

**warpcrafter**

Excuse me? What the unholy gak were people cheering this idiotic farce of a sport anyway? Perhaps the Jamaican-Canadian trade is better than anybody could have imagined, if they can get so high as to encourage people to sweep ahead of a rock that's slowly sliding along on ice. I'm from Kansas City, and we have the loudest football fans in the country, but if you held a curling event here, I assure you it would be dead silent, because there would be no fans!

**BluntmanDC**

Curling requires alot of concentration and communication between team members, it the crowd got to a level where the team can't hear each other then they should tell the crowd to shut up.

hawkins wrote: Yup if you cant take the heat, get outa the kitchen, and if you think thats bad try soccer in europe, fans are known to riot because they get to much into it..
Though i am disapointed that the canadian fans did get out of hand, the players are suppose to be profesional. if she couldnt get past the noise its her problem.

Cheers for supporting you argument with saying its ok cos aload of idiots can't watch a game of football properly, roiting fans are pathetic, unsportmanlly and on the most part @;$holes.

**Wrexasaur**

BluntmanDC wrote:Curling requires alot of concentration and communication between team members, it the crowd got to a level where the team can't hear each other then they should tell the crowd to shut up.

That would be an unfortunate outburst for an Olympic team to take. I place far more respect in the athletes themselves, over spectators. It would be beneath them so to speak. I wouldn't argue that the crowd wasn't disruptive, but carving a special niche for curling alone seems posh, and silly.

If there is a huge problem with something like that happening, the event should take place out of earshot. There doesn't really seem to be a lot of blame to be placed on the spectators. I would assume most athletes, from any sport, would want relative quiet overall. Not sure why curling is so special that it would require huge amounts of spectators, but little to no noise.

**Khornholio**

Despite their glowing hearts, the Canadians have to try and own the podium some way. Maybe they can take the Danes out for a nice cruller and a double double to show there are no hard feelings.

**Orlanth**

Hawkins wrote:Yup if you cant take the heat, get outa the kitchen, and if you think thats bad try soccer in europe, fans are known to riot because they get to much into it..
Though i am disapointed that the canadian fans did get out of hand, the players are suppose to be profesional. if she couldnt get past the noise its her problem.

Let me explain to the hard of thinking. Here is a quote from the OP taken from the Danish curling team:

"If they were yelling this much when Cheryl was throwing, that would be more fair. You can't hear anything. You can't hear what your skip is saying. You can't hear what your sweepers are saying."

In curling there is a team effort on every throw. If distraction itself wasn't enough the sweepers have to sweep just enough to apply the right amount of friction to the stone so it travels the correct distance. The stone is still being influenced after it has left the curlers hand. If the team cannot communicate they are put at a gross disadvantage.

Besides fans cheer their own side, where appropriate, the only reason to only cheer loudly when the opponents play is to assault them.

**olympia**

Stick to tournaments with soft-scoring young Danish woman

**Hawkins**

Albatross wrote:At wimbledon the umpire asks for 'quiet' during play, if the crowd are too noisy. Same thing with Snooker. Curling obviously requires a lot of concentration (apparently), so the Canadians acted fairly dishonourably, if you ask me.

Come on guys! We raised you better than that!

I'll answer this one cause the rest? well insert your favorite trite comment or vailed insult like the others..
Albatross: Yes they do, and it should have been the case there. the Canadian team isnt at fault, nor are the fans. some if not half probably dont even know the proper fan behavior for curling. they simply got carried away IMO, i admit it was unsportslike from the fans, and im sure some did it purposely, the Canadian team captain says something to the effect also. but it is up to the officials to keep order, and its not just canadian officials either. i am sure that if the Danes were to protest i would agree 100%, but im going to shrug, if they cant take the heat..... well they couldnt could they? harsh, but so are alot of discisions in the news lately.

Bad canada bad, what ever.

**Frazzled**

garret wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Candian-curling-fans-leave-Danish-player-in-tear?urn=oly,221320
The Danish deserve that medal not the the canadians. they broke the rules and should pay for it.

A Danish curler was brought to tears after a boisterous Canadian crowd intentionally distracted her during crucial shots in her team's match against the home nation. With the crowd stomping and making deafening noise, Denmark skip Madeleine Dupont missed two potentially game-winning shots and tearfully blamed the fans for it afterward. Canada won the match 5-4 in an extra end.

Such boorish fan behavior is normally considered unacceptable in the genteel world of curling.

After the match, Dupont told reporters:

"I could not control the weight on the last shot in the 10th. It should have been way slower, but when there are 6,000 people yelling, it's pretty hard to find out how hard you kick off. It's just so hard to focus. You're trying, but it's just not the same as if it was silent.

"If they were yelling this much when Cheryl was throwing, that would be more fair. You can't hear anything. You can't hear what your skip is saying. You can't hear what your sweepers are saying. You just have to do your best under the circumstances – and we did, but it was hard in the 10th."

There's nothing wrong with cheering loudly before and after points, but fans need to respect the etiquette of whichever sport they're watching and act accordingly. A luger knows he's going to hear cowbells ringing while negotiating turns at 90 mph, yet it wouldn't be fair if a spectator rang one during Evan Lysacek's free skate. If a curler is used to silence, a curler deserves silence.

Even the Canadian curling team agrees. Skip Cheryl Bernard said of the boisterous fans at the rink:

"I'm guessing 75 percent in there don't know the game that well and they're just there to cheer. You have to give them something for that, but I think we need to have it a little bit quieter for the opposition because it's uncomfortable for them."

That's more an indictment of the knowledge of fans rather than poor sportsmanship. Canadian fans will have a shot at redemption this week as their team plays in the medal rounds. Hopefully they'll cheer on their hometown teams with passion, just not during the other team's shots

What a manjina. Grow a pair Danelander! How can a country that brought us butt kicking Northmen have fallen so low.

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Orkeosaurus wrote:The cheering wasn't against the rules; it was, however, either unsportsmanlike or inconsiderate, depending on how intentional it was. There's a hell of a lot of a difference in expectations between a football game in the NFL and curling at the Olympics. Can you imagine if during a golf championship everybody started yelling and stomping their feet as a put was being made? It would be absurd.

No it would be AWESOME.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Frazzled wrote:
garret wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Candian-curling-fans-leave-Danish-player-in-tear?urn=oly,221320
The Danish deserve that medal not the the canadians. they broke the rules and should pay for it.

A Danish curler was brought to tears after a boisterous Canadian crowd intentionally distracted her during crucial shots in her team's match against the home nation. With the crowd stomping and making deafening noise, Denmark skip Madeleine Dupont missed two potentially game-winning shots and tearfully blamed the fans for it afterward. Canada won the match 5-4 in an extra end.

Such boorish fan behavior is normally considered unacceptable in the genteel world of curling.

After the match, Dupont told reporters:

"I could not control the weight on the last shot in the 10th. It should have been way slower, but when there are 6,000 people yelling, it's pretty hard to find out how hard you kick off. It's just so hard to focus. You're trying, but it's just not the same as if it was silent.

"If they were yelling this much when Cheryl was throwing, that would be more fair. You can't hear anything. You can't hear what your skip is saying. You can't hear what your sweepers are saying. You just have to do your best under the circumstances – and we did, but it was hard in the 10th."

There's nothing wrong with cheering loudly before and after points, but fans need to respect the etiquette of whichever sport they're watching and act accordingly. A luger knows he's going to hear cowbells ringing while negotiating turns at 90 mph, yet it wouldn't be fair if a spectator rang one during Evan Lysacek's free skate. If a curler is used to silence, a curler deserves silence.

Even the Canadian curling team agrees. Skip Cheryl Bernard said of the boisterous fans at the rink:

"I'm guessing 75 percent in there don't know the game that well and they're just there to cheer. You have to give them something for that, but I think we need to have it a little bit quieter for the opposition because it's uncomfortable for them."

That's more an indictment of the knowledge of fans rather than poor sportsmanship. Canadian fans will have a shot at redemption this week as their team plays in the medal rounds. Hopefully they'll cheer on their hometown teams with passion, just not during the other team's shots

What a manjina. Grow a pair Danelander! How can a country that brought us butt kicking Northmen have fallen so low.

Danish lady Fraz...

And for the record, it isn't ice hockey or rugby or football. It's a game of concentration traditionally played to a quiet audience. The refs should have called for quiet.

**Zad Fnark**

So how do the Olympic Dart and Bowling teams handle it?

ZF-

**Frazzled**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
garret wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Candian-curling-fans-leave-Danish-player-in-tear?urn=oly,221320
The Danish deserve that medal not the the canadians. they broke the rules and should pay for it.

A Danish curler was brought to tears after a boisterous Canadian crowd intentionally distracted her during crucial shots in her team's match against the home nation. With the crowd stomping and making deafening noise, Denmark skip Madeleine Dupont missed two potentially game-winning shots and tearfully blamed the fans for it afterward. Canada won the match 5-4 in an extra end.

Such boorish fan behavior is normally considered unacceptable in the genteel world of curling.

After the match, Dupont told reporters:

"I could not control the weight on the last shot in the 10th. It should have been way slower, but when there are 6,000 people yelling, it's pretty hard to find out how hard you kick off. It's just so hard to focus. You're trying, but it's just not the same as if it was silent.

"If they were yelling this much when Cheryl was throwing, that would be more fair. You can't hear anything. You can't hear what your skip is saying. You can't hear what your sweepers are saying. You just have to do your best under the circumstances – and we did, but it was hard in the 10th."

There's nothing wrong with cheering loudly before and after points, but fans need to respect the etiquette of whichever sport they're watching and act accordingly. A luger knows he's going to hear cowbells ringing while negotiating turns at 90 mph, yet it wouldn't be fair if a spectator rang one during Evan Lysacek's free skate. If a curler is used to silence, a curler deserves silence.

Even the Canadian curling team agrees. Skip Cheryl Bernard said of the boisterous fans at the rink:

"I'm guessing 75 percent in there don't know the game that well and they're just there to cheer. You have to give them something for that, but I think we need to have it a little bit quieter for the opposition because it's uncomfortable for them."

That's more an indictment of the knowledge of fans rather than poor sportsmanship. Canadian fans will have a shot at redemption this week as their team plays in the medal rounds. Hopefully they'll cheer on their hometown teams with passion, just not during the other team's shots

What a manjina. Grow a pair Danelander! How can a country that brought us butt kicking Northmen have fallen so low.

Danish lady Fraz...

And for the record, it isn't ice hockey or rugby or football. It's a game of concentration traditionally played to a quiet audience. The refs should have called for quiet.

Oh bs, its people sliding a rock down ice and squeegying the front of it. About 8 people watch it, and none of them are sober. To call this a sport is to like calling paint drying a sport.

**Kilkrazy**

Zad Fnark wrote:So how do the Olympic Dart and Bowling teams handle it?

ZF-

Generally the darts guys flip out and chuck a few arrers into the crowd.

Things quieten down after that.