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Yes I know it's jumping the gun a little bit in asking after they just had a massive release but I just had to ask. Has anyone heard of a rumour that there is more goodies coming down the road for them. It's been mentioned on another forum that Thunderwolf cavalry could be on route and I was curious if there is any substance behind this. I would love to see some more goodies especially in plastic but I won't hold too much hope out although the Thunderwolf cavalry would make a lot of sense.

Any tidbits out there?

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This is purely guess, but I would think sometime in 2010, we'll see plastic T-Wolves. And I'm going to guess that it's 3 to a boxset and priced between bikes and killa kans ($35-45 US). Usually, the secound wave or releases hits within a year. I also wouldn't be surprised if Fenrisian wolves are released as a plastic kit as well, although I'd think it's more like a tactical squad price - 10 for $35.

I thought the various non-codex chapters only got a single release?

Cheers dietrich a guess is better than nothing at this stage. It does seem they are somewhat incomplete without Thunderwolves and Fenrisian Wolves. A bit of me really hopes they release a plastic Ragnar LOL.

Got to admit I am totally in the dark re non-codex chapters getting one release. God I hope not.

Many armies have no second-wave release.

If GW make TWC plastic kits, it would be welcomed. Powerful appearance and fine rules.

But fenrisian wolves?...won't sell well. GW won't release such product as a 40K-only ,and there is already same models in WFB.
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Cheers for the link tokugawa but those Wolves look like they should have mounts or do I have it wrong. I may be interested otherwise.

Maybe they could release a plastic Ragnar for £18 inc his 2 Fenrisian wolves and problem solved completely. Would also make him fly off the shelves.

Ragnar indeed need resculpt.

But GW would not release plastic kits for Special characters(very few exceptions). They would be metal bilsters.

If we see anything more for Space Wolves, I'd be surprised if it's mainstream GW and not FW.

As for Ragnar, he's incredibly easy to make from the bitz for Grey Hunters/Wolf Guard.

Yeah but most end up looking like regular Grey Hunters/Wolf Guards. All the regular Space Wolf dudes are so blinged out in wolf gear it's hard to make out the special guys from the regular troops. So yeah, a resculpt of Ragnar (and maybe Logan/Ulrik) would be nice.

Kits for thunderwolves and fenrisian wolves would be welcomed, at some point, any point, cause I'd hate it if FW picked them up. Prices would be such a turn-off then.

Ronin wrote:Yeah but most end up looking like regular Grey Hunters/Wolf Guards. All the regular Space Wolf dudes are so blinged out in wolf gear it's hard to make out the special guys from the regular troops. So yeah, a resculpt of Ragnar (and maybe Logan/Ulrik) would be nice.

Kits for thunderwolves and fenrisian wolves would be welcomed, at some point, any point, cause I'd hate it if FW picked them up. Prices would be such a turn-off then.

Spot on! Its very hard to make an independent character stand out using the bits from the same packs (I have looked at this option). There is also key bits that you need like Ragnar's longer Krakentooth, Belt of Russ, Wolf shoulder pad, cape and of course his head. Without these he would very much like the other GH's. You may have hit upon the best solution. GW make a plastic box kit inc Ragnar, Logan & Ulrik + 2 Fenrisian wolves and knock them out for a similar price to the plastic SW Terminator set although I would quite happily pay up to £30 for those goodies.

I too would also hate if FW took it forward.

They won't make a "plastic box set" for those characters because of the very fact that they are specific characters.

hey can you use the 13th company from the eye of terror codex along with the new space wolves codex?? cause i want to build a mixed army

Kanluwen wrote:They won't make a "plastic box set" for those characters because of the very fact that they are specific characters.

And to their detriment and ours I believe. They could quite easily produce a pack like mentioned. It could even be generic but have the components (Ragnar's Krakentooth, Logans wrist mounted bolter etc) to make the specific characters or ones of you preference. GW would also benefit in the fact they would probably be able to control stock more easily, shelf space would be increased, weight reduced and very likely the packs would sell quicker. Customisation options would also be huge. If you look at the Chaos lord single figure release (which I bought) it proves it could be done in plastic although I think the Chaos Lord should have been done similar to what were suggesting as you could of also built a sorcerer and a champion from the same pack and even maybe had some bits to allow you to make an Huron e.g. Powerfist Flamer. There is so many bits left over from the Chaos lord and SM single packs it's almost a waste although you can use the bits on other models but not an efficient use of product by GW. Basically all they had to do with the current Chaos Lord pack was stick another pair of legs in and a base and you could have had the Lord and a Sorcerer for almost the same price LOL.

Special Characters will get metal models. Now, they may incorporate some of their special gear into plastic bitz on a sprue, but it'll be for general use in the army then.

GW has stated that they want every entry in a codex to have a model. I can't believe that TWC won't get a kit. And based on GW's recent releases, I'd be surprised if it isn't plastic. 5 years ago, it would have been a metal kit.

The old gobbo wolf is an option for Fenrisian wolves. I think the Fen-wolf is supposed to be larger than that model, but not as big as a thunderwolf.

I think a TWC release is much more likely than Fenrisian wolves. But, anything's possible.

Who knows for sure, at this point.

But I thought we heard that FW was handling the Thunderwolf models?

THAT will be pricey...

I will be shocked if GW doesn't release a TWC kit. And based on the recent releases, I'd be surprised if it isn't plastic.

I wonder if the FW rumors are for the 'Wolf Lord on TWC' model. Envision something like the 'Warboss on Bike' model - sure, you can covert it, or just buy a lovely FW model.

While some of the FW stuff is very nice. I just wish GW would stop all the messing about with plastic, resin & metal and move over to plastic full time.

tbh i am was highly disapointed at wha they did for the wolf scouts, a set of head and a plasma pistol is pretty ptiful especialy base don their background and art.

space woflves coudl aslo do with soem vehcile accesories like the Black templars and Dark angels got.

Thunderwolf cavalry should get plastic model sbecause in the ccodex it makes htem out ot eb a special unit and therefore fairly uncommon.

imo very littl ein the sapce wolf dex needs models and vehicle accesory gets are unfortuanetly unlikely.

Chimaera wrote:While some of the FW stuff is very nice. I just wish GW would stop all the messing about with plastic, resin & metal and move over to plastic full time.

They can't. Plastic molds are more expensive than metal molds, so they only make kits in plastic guaranteed to sell well. Special characters for a niche army doesn't exactly equal a big seller. While every Space Wolf player will buy multiple boxes of Grey Hunters and Wolf Guard, I can't see everybody buying a special character in plastic.

I heard rumors of a resculpted Ragnar back before the codex came out, but I'm guessing it was purely conjecture.

Brother SRM wrote:

Chimaera wrote:While some of the FW stuff is very nice. I just wish GW would stop all the messing about with plastic, resin & metal and move over to plastic full time.

They can't. Plastic molds are more expensive than metal molds, so they only make kits in plastic guaranteed to sell well. Special characters for a niche army doesn't exactly equal a big seller. While every Space Wolf player will buy multiple boxes of Grey Hunters and Wolf Guard, I can't see everybody buying a special character in plastic.

I heard rumors of a resculpted Ragnar back before the codex came out, but I'm guessing it was purely conjecture.

I agree it would be a lot harder to release them individually but if they released them as a generic command pack as described above. I would have certainly bought 2 packs. This would have allowed me to create the specific individuals plus some of my own creations.

The other option that I wouldn't mind is if they released a SW's second upgrade sprue to inc the below.

Axe Morkai
Wrist mounted Storm bolter
Logan's head
Belt of Russ for TDA
Wolf Lord front torso for TDA

SW Crozium
Helm of Russ
Belt of Russ for power armour
WP specific necklace
WP front torso for power armour

Rune staff
Njal's head
Psyber familiar
Wolfs head pelt
Rune priest front torso for TDA

Krakentooth
Wolf shoulder pad
Ragnar's head
Wolf pelt/cloak for power armour
Wold Lord front torso for power armour

The first upgrade sprue had 30 pieces so I guess 20 on a second sprue wouldn't be way off. Anyway I suppose I can but hope.

why would they replace logan? he is one of th ebetter special character models?

also nostalgia as he was one of the first of the new style/scale of terminators.... The wrist mounted storm bolte rdeosn't ahve any special rule sand therfore is not neccesary.

The crozarium exists on the metal wolf priest model....

Tbh mate you just seem to writing out a wish list withotu listening or reading what other people are saying... hallf of the stuff on you list already exist in the sprue to some degree

sorry if that sounds ahrsh but you have to be realistic about it and many of the posters on this forum are all to experienced with GW release attitudes...

I would like to see a thunderwolves kit come out, it'd be rather expensive (but probably no dearer than the price needed to convert one ATM), in my guess, but i have a feeling that if they were released they'd be pretty awesome models, and well selling ones too.

Also, Brother SRM, that was an interesting and good bit of info. I can see now why GW do this, and it's a good reason, though Chimera has a point, plastic is just miles better. I'm not too bothered about making characters plastic (after all many just require slotting in to a base or simply glueing on the head) but it's the big monster kits that i'd like to see become plastic ( hydra! Stupid ing kit! Waste of £35 quid!). GW have taken a step towards this, releasing the new killa kan, deff dread and venerable dreadnought plastic kits (which, i must say, look awesome) but there are still a few things i'd like to see reincarnated in plastic.

I keep thinking that GW will soon wake up and realize that yes, Space Marines riding on Wolves is a really, really silly idea.

They should have been put on oversized bikes and called it a win.

SO, maybe they'll get "13th Companied" out of existence next time around...

...ah, who am I kidding!

They're here to stay!

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@Sgt Roadkill - No problem I don't see your comments as harsh in any way. It's a forum and if you post your opinion others are entitled to post theirs. All I would say is I have looked at conversion options and yes while I agree some are out there, some are definitely not & in fairness molesting an Ulrik just to get a Crozium seems crazy to me. The wrist mounted bolter was really for the fact I would prefer a Logan in a different pose. Something a plastic version would have had many advantages over the metal version.

I am reading and listening to others and I am aware of moulding expense but a company like GW who has the internal experience, expertise and equipment, this cost is greatly reduced to my understanding. The GW today is also not like the GW I knew almost 25yrs ago. The GW of today is a global product/company and economy of scale is far more easily achieved. This can only improve as they open up more markets. I wonder how many more sales they need before they hit plastic critical mass or indeed could they already be there and it's the old guard hanging on to metal. The fact that they produce the independent characters in metal because of cost could easily be resolved by providing them in some sort of plastic command multi pack. The Chaos Lord is a good example of something that is already very near this command pack idea. Add a couple more bases 2 more leg sets and maybe a few more additional accessories and you would have got 3 characters from this product very easily for probably not much more cost to GW or us.

Lastly yeah it is sort of a wish list but thats what lobbying is all about isn't it I do hope I haven't got up to many of your backs.

There's a difference between a generic HQ choice with lots of options (Chaos Lord, SM Commander, etc.) and Abaddon or Marneus Calgar. I would expect that unique characters will continue to be metal for a long time, but I think more HQ multi-part plastic kits will happen.

dietrich wrote:There's a difference between a generic HQ choice with lots of options (Chaos Lord, SM Commander, etc.) and Abaddon or Marneus Calgar. I would expect that unique characters will continue to be metal for a long time, but I think more HQ multi-part plastic kits will happen.

Point taken but if a plastic command kit had some of the key pieces to get you 50% nearer that conversion you wanted to do. This would be a good thing would it not? looking at the SW's just for example purpose only. Why the hell didn't GW replace some of the more nondescript pieces with a Crozium, krakentooth, Helm of Russ or a couple of more defined leader heads etc. Hopefully they will pick up this ball in future palstic releases for whatever army.

It is rather surprising that GW haven't done more in the way of plastic HQ kits. The SM Commander and the Chaos Lord/Sorcerer were great kits but why did we never see a plastic Ork Warboss/Big Mek or Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord (yes I know it's a SC but it would only require a second pair of boneswords). It is a little disappointing that they seem to be sticking for the most part with metal HQ that are not conversion friendly and mean that you end up seeing the same models over and over again.

I agree with Chimaera; how hard would it have been to make a Wolf Lord/Wolf Priest/Rune Preist set containing Runic Power Armour, a Crozius, a Force Staff, a couple of pistols, some CCWs, a few different heads and throw in a large chainsword styled Frostblade that just happens to look like Krakentooth, then sell the kit for £12 like the current SM Commander...?

Plastic kits molds are expensive to design and they need to sell a lot to justify them. So only high volume kits will see a plastic version.

Alpharius wrote:I keep thinking that GW will soon wake up and realize that yes, Space Marines riding on Wolves is a really, really silly idea....

Well spoken sir, I entirely agree.

But then, when you can make landspeeders, why even have bikes? much less wolves...

Be wary analyzing it, a lot of it falls apart pretty fast.