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After reading the articles on ork tactica I reformulated my list. It's similar to my old list but I'm going with shoota boyz in battlewaggons. Also I added a big unit of stormboyz. here it is:

warboss:power klaw, twin linked shoota, 'eavy armor, bosspole-100
big mek: kustom force field-85

10 lootas-150

20 shoota boyz:big shoota, rokkit launcha, nob with power klaw-170
20 shoota boyz:big shoota, rokkit launcha, nob with power klaw-170
20 shoota boyz:big shoota, rokkit launcha, nob with power klaw-170

20 stormboyz:nob with power klaw and bosspole-280

battlewaggon: deff rolla, red paint job, armor plates-125
battlewaggon: deff rolla, red paint job, armor plates-125
battlewaggon: deff rolla, red paint job, armor plates-125

So that's my new list. Please give me any comments you have so I can refine and improve my list.

You need to cut one boy from 2 squads(and their associated special weapon) so you can fit the warboss and Big mek in Battlewagons

Oh whoops, Yea I'll drop 2 boyz and use the points to pay for bosspoles in the two squads that the warboss will not be in. also I moved two of the boyz big shootas to two of the battlewaggons.

Highly recommend dropping the Armor Plates on the wagons, the chances of that ever happening in a game are astronomical. Instead drop the points saved on some big shootas or kannons on the wagons to prevent that first weapon destroyed result from leaving ya immobilized.

I've ran 3 battlewagon lists before in 1500pts and below before and I do know it works quite well. Most lists at that point level just don't have that much dedicated anti-tank to blow thru your KFF and 14 armor. Stormboyz feel like an odd fit, since you are basically giving your opponent something to use his anti-infantry guns on, but I can defiantly see them pulling fire off the lootas.




*edited for crimes against grammar*

I like this list and I think it's preety competitive because a battlewagon spam is a very caliable build thanks to the great anti-tank capibilities of deff rollas. I think you should get grot riggers instead of armor plates because its always good to not be immobilised on a 4+ and you want your wagons moving and they will kind of be a high prority target. Also I would drop the stormboyz as they are only effective when you have 2 squads of them because as you probobly know as an ork player that orks out in the open with no cover = dead orks. For those stormboyz, I would get another sqad of lootas, take off the warboss and get a SAG mek to accompany the lootas, unless you want a very competitive build, get a SAG mek with a bosspole and add him to a loota squad. Otherwise, I think this list is fine and not half bad actually.

Hope I helped!

cool, I don't have my list or my codex with me at school. but when I get home I'll change the armor plates to kannons.

No cybork body on the boss so he won't get a invulnerable save and there is plenty of ap4 weaponary out there.

Make those lootas 15 strong, that way when you lose a few you won't take a leadership test.

Nobz need bosspoles for the boyz.

I'm not keen on stormboyz but with this list they could hide behind the wagons and get a cover save.

Also wagons only carry 20 orks. Where is your boss and big mek going?

@ condai: sorry I did not see your post when I made my last post. but I like the idea of the grot riggers instead of the armor plates. I'll look into it when I get back home and look in the codex. also like mercer said I will be putting the stormboyz behind the wagons.

@ mercer: In my second post I said that I removed a boy from two squads and used the extra points for two bosspoles. the warboss will provide the bosspole for the third boyz unit.

i would drop the storm boyz and get 2 units of 3 warbuggys with twin linked rockits and use the left over points on a unit of grots to sit on your home objective.

wile im not a huge fan of spam lists i dose look strong good luck to you and hope this helps

yeri wrote:@ mercer: In my second post I said that I removed a boy from two squads and used the extra points for two bosspoles. the warboss will provide the bosspole for the third boyz unit.

Best amend your list then buddy so people like myself don't give feedback on thing's you said you're going to change.

Yea sorry bout that, it's just that when I responded I was at school and did not have my list with me. In fact I'm at school right now, but when I get home I'll edit this post to include the new list.

Hey, no worries. Not the end of the world.

You'll find that the tactica has an almost erotic obsession with lootas, stormboyz, and shootas. Don't get too caught up in it, as particularly with mech lists (something the tactica says isn't competitive, or semi-competitive or whatever) the shootas it is suggesting to you aren't the end all be all units.

A mech list should be primarily made up of sluggas, and you'll find that sluggas in wagons and trukks are actually considerably better than stormboyz. Stormboyz are 12 point boyz, and as you've shown above, take 280 points to build an effective unit.

20 sluggas in a basic wagon (i.e. rolla, big shoota, boarding plank) have the exact same shooting and combat statistics, can more effectively hit vehicles without risking damage from explosions, have higher resilience, more anti-armor capability, a larger assault radius, and believe it or not, for all of that, they cost the same.

Take all the preaching that the Dakka tactica provides for Stormboyz, and change the name to mechanized sluggas, as they are clearly superior in every way.

You also typically won't need to buy the special weapons for boyz squads in a mech list. The wagons will more often than not move more than 6" trying to get into assault range, so you'll very rarely be able to shoot with them anyway.

Shootas in a wagon are not nearly as exciting. They are a bit more resilient than shootas standing around in big squads of 30 when it comes to assaults, but the battlewagon is not a safe firing platform for more than a few turns. Between its extraordinarily narrow front angle and it's open topped +1 on the damage chart, you can't expect the shootas to survive any better than they would have through weight of numbers in big squads of 30. For instance, with the points you are spending above, you could have had a full group of lootas, both of your HQs, and 120 shootas as opposed to the 60 you managed to field with vehicles.

Alternatively, you could ditch the Stormboyz and have 3 wagons and 2 trukks full of sluggas, creating a much more effective assault force.

Most of the tactica you read appears to be written from the perspective of a first read through the codex when it first came out, and a lot has changed in the ork metagame since that time, so don't bet the bank on what you read there.

What tactica is this?

Dakka Dakka's tactics article. If the only competitive lists were those centered on the suggestions in this article, you'd never see anyone field anything other than green tide fulll of shootas and lootas with biker warboss.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dakka_Dakka_Ork_Takktica
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dakka_Dakka_Ork_Takktica_Part_2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dakka_Dakka_Ork_Takktica_Part_3

EDIT - Er, make that "you'd never see anyone field anything other than green tide fulll of shootas, STORMBOYZ, and lootas with biker warboss."

thanks carnuss, shootas just never sounded orkey enough. I need to rethink my list, I'll try to get the revised list posted sometime today but I make no promises.

Orky or not, they have their place. In green tide armies, they are amazingly effective, claiming a squad or two of marines per shooting phase without any loota assistance in the shooting phase alone. They aren't bad at assaults either, just not optimal when compared with sluggas in assaults.

My rule of thumb, and I'm not the only one, is that shootas are on foot and sluggas are in vehicles. When you play a kan wall type strategy, either works, but most would bend the rule and use sluggas even though they are on foot.


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Also, I posted this on the tactics forum earlier today in response to another question. It's light on details, but provides a reasonable high level summary of the 4 main tourney builds you'll see for orks. Each of them has their strengths and weaknesses, which you'll only learn to work around by playing them. If you want specific build examples, you should be able to easily find numerous lists by running a search on the name such as "green tide" or "mech orks" to get a full breakdown of someone else's approach to the list.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282508/1386442.page#1386442

you dont have many orks for a 1.5k list some people have 100 to 200 orks

sorry it took me so long to post this but the cost for the internet in the hotel I was staying in was rediculous. but here's the revised list. tell me if it is good or if it still needs improvement.

warboss with power klaw, twin linked shoota, 'eavy armor, bosspole:100
big mek with kustom force field: 85

10 lootas: 150

20 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole: 160
19 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole: 154
19 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole: 154
12 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole, trukk with red paint job, grot riggers: 157
12 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole, trukk with red paint job, grot riggers: 157

battlewagon with deff rolla, red paint job, grot riggers, big shoota: 125
battlewagon with deff rolla, red paint job, grot riggers, big shoota: 125
battlewagon with deff rolla, red paint job, grot riggers, big shoota: 125

yeri wrote:sorry it took me so long to post this but the cost for the internet in the hotel I was staying in was rediculous. but here's the revised list. tell me if it is good or if it still needs improvement.

warboss with power klaw, twin linked shoota, 'eavy armor, bosspole:100
big mek with kustom force field: 85

10 lootas: 150

20 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole: 160
19 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole: 154
19 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole: 154
12 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole, trukk with red paint job, grot riggers: 157
12 sluga boyz, nob with power klaw and bosspole, trukk with red paint job, grot riggers: 157

battlewagon with deff rolla, red paint job, grot riggers, big shoota: 125
battlewagon with deff rolla, red paint job, grot riggers, big shoota: 125
battlewagon with deff rolla, red paint job, grot riggers, big shoota: 125

Yeri, I play against a tri-wagon list almost every test game I play with my Eldar. Some may tell you that you need x more models. Take that with a grain of salt.
Some of the people at 1500-1850 bringing 150+ models are not fully mechanized, which you are. It's easier to reach that limit when you don't have to buy multiple
nobs with PK/bosspoles... ie, they have 30 man ground squads, you have 12-20 man mechsquads. Your armor takes the place of boyz. You need to keep wounds
in mind but don't go about it mindlessly.

On to your list.

I take no issue with your BWs except to say I'd also take planks, and I'm not really sure on the efficacy of grot riggers in practice, but I'd give them a try.
The trukk boy squads are ok, but you still have 10 lootas. ALL anti-infantry fire in an enemy army will be shooting at them (granted they'll have to be in range)
so as has been said, you're going to want 15 of them. I think 3 wagons and 1 trukk are more than good at 1500. So I would drop a trukk unit, pick up 5 lootas,
and perhaps pick up a deff kopta or maybe even make one of your large units 'ard boyz or something--basically anything as long as you increase the effectiveness
of those non mechanized lootas and then spend the rest on distraction or beefing up your squads in some way.

I was thinking about this list and I was wondering: are there any competitive ork lists based on infantry? I'm just wondering because I just realized I'm not a big fan of painting vehicles.

Orks with infantry in mind tend to take killa kans maxed heavy support slots (9 total) and use these are shields for the orks behind them. Common Killa Kan weapons include Grotzookas and Kustom Mega Blasters, depending on the lists they expect to face (rokkit launcha ain't bad either). They follow this with a KFF Big Mek to give the cans concealment and generally fill their troop slots with Shoota Boyz and maybe a 19-1 Gretchin Runtherd unit as well. Lootas are popular as support, and generally this list is decent, but can be torn apart by opponents packing enough templates, better CC, and anti-tank spam fire to cripple the Killa Kans.

A different and more radical approach turns orks into a dakka army.

45 Lootas combined with 2 SAG meks, Big Gunz, Battlewagpms or Looted Wagons as 'eavy support, max squads of warbuggies, deffkoptas, or such and enough gretchin and cheap boy squads to clog the middle of the field. LOS hurts this army as much as any range reliant army, and tends to get outshot by enemies with mech long range lists.

interesting, but I was wondering what is a green horde? and is it more competitive or less competitive than what I got here?