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Here is a steam conversation (argument) Joetaco and I had regarding Orks and I wondered what you all thought of it. Feel free to move this if it's better somewhere else. Warning: dyslexic typing follows:

Jolten Joetaco: i was thinking my orks plus your orks = teaching alex game
Jolten Joetaco: SPEHSS MAHREENS!
CrazyThang: pft eldar are cooler
Jolten Joetaco: but eldar are prissy and die easy.
CrazyThang: prissy translates into game how?
Jolten Joetaco: funny
Jolten Joetaco: either way thats not a good example i think. I need 3's to hit with my heavy bolters, need 2's to wound. and you get no saves
Jolten Joetaco: your banshes go first. you need 4's to hit. need 5's to wound. oh okay i lose one marine.
CrazyThang: 1? i did the math remember?
Jolten Joetaco: your reapers need 3 to hit. 2 to wound. okay my squads dead
CrazyThang: ok now tanslate what uve said into orks. you know they have 6+ armor right? EVERYTHING pens them so wait no saves same to hit
Jolten Joetaco: but they they should last with 4 toughness
CrazyThang: you need one higher admit your wrong
Jolten Joetaco: 1 higher is 16%
Jolten Joetaco: orks also have numbers to lose. and weapons to take out rhinos, razorbacks, dreds and preds
CrazyThang: i have missiles brightlances str 6 stuff
CrazyThang: oh wait what do orks have? powerclaws? tankbustas?
Jolten Joetaco: and deftkoptas and missiles rokkits
CrazyThang: who has those?
Jolten Joetaco: boyz
CrazyThang: what 1 or maybe 2 per squad? and no one ever ever ever does that so its a bad example of orks
Jolten Joetaco: every should do that cause thats what intelligent people do.
CrazyThang: besides this game is supposed to be balanced
Jolten Joetaco: its not balanced. who told you that.
CrazyThang: i said supposed to be. the game and many peopel say so
Jolten Joetaco: and you field rokkits with your shoota boys cause tankbustas suck. space marines and blood angels you think theyr'e even
CrazyThang: oh well yeah if you use shoota boys
Jolten Joetaco: you use shoota boyz or you use trucks
CrazyThang: here read carefully: SUPPSOED TO BE. but can space marines beat BAs? of course. can anything beat anything? pretty much. even dark eldar are deadly in good hands. ok maybe not crons...
Jolten Joetaco: oh no it can't get me a tau list that can beat a nob biker list
CrazyThang: im sure tau players beat orks all the time
Jolten Joetaco: or a witchunters list that can beat anything
CrazyThang: oh yeah... i always forget they exist
Jolten Joetaco: orks vs ork cheese the game isn't very balanced because of the cheese in the game
CrazyThang: Imma post this on dakka see what everyoen says
Jolten Joetaco: do it! get opinions from people who don't know anything. and the occasional person who really does know alot
Jolten Joetaco: just thought of another reason: orks are simplar than eldar. You still forget your rules orks only have mob rule and furious charge
CrazyThang: ill give you that

comments?

Urm? what?

Try condensing the info into a series of numbered questions or just gisting the info down to a paragraph of backstory and questions as quite frankly nobody cares enough to trawl through that convo.

Fine fine. Give me a minute to cater to lazy people


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There shortened it by at least half.

OK, so it's a conversation. What was it you wanted people to comment on?

... I don't know. Comments on the ork setup or... like who they agree with? This is just my day for stupid posts isn't it?

CrazyThang wrote:

Jolten Joetaco: I was thinking my Orks plus your Orks = teaching alex game
Jolten Joetaco: SPACE MARINES!

CrazyThang: However, Eldar are cooler.

Jolten Joetaco: But Eldar are prissy and die easy.

CrazyThang: Prissy translates into the game how?


Jolten Joetaco: Funny, either way, I think that's not a good example. I need 3+ to hit with my heavy bolters, and 2+ to wound. Not to mention that you get no saves.

Jolten Joetaco: Your banshees go first. You need 4+ to hit., and 5+ to wound. Oh okay, I lose one marine.

CrazyThang: 1? I did the math, remember?

Jolten Joetaco: Your reapers need 3 to hit. 2 to wound. Okay, my squad's dead.

CrazyThang: Ok, now translate what you've said to work with Orks. You know they have 6+ armor right? EVERYTHING penetrates them, so no saves: the same to hit.

Jolten Joetaco: But they should last with Toughness 4.

CrazyThang: You need one higher, admit you're wrong.

Jolten Joetaco: 1 higher is 16%.

Jolten Joetaco: Orks also have numbers to lose. And weapons to take out rhinos, razorbacks, dreadnoughts and predators.

CrazyThang: I have missiles, brightlances, and strength 6 weapons.

CrazyThang: Oh wait what do Orks have? Powerklaws? Tankbustas?

Jolten Joetaco: And deffkoptas and rokkits.

CrazyThang: Who has those?

Jolten Joetaco: Boyz.

CrazyThang: What, 1 or maybe 2 per squad? And no one ever does that, so its a bad example of Orks.

Jolten Joetaco: Every one should do that because that's what intelligent people do.

CrazyThang: Besides, this game is supposed to be balanced.

Jolten Joetaco: Its not balanced. Who told you that?

CrazyThang: I said supposed to be. The game and many people say so.

Jolten Joetaco: And you field rokkits with your shoota boys because tankbustas suck. Space Marines and Blood Angels: do you think they're even?

CrazyThang: Oh well, yeah, if you use shoota boys.

Jolten Joetaco: You use shoota boyz, or you use trucks.

CrazyThang: Here read carefully: SUPPOSED TO BE. But can Space Marines beat Blood Angels? Of course. Can anything beat anything? Pretty much. Even Dark Eldar are deadly in good hands. Ok maybe not Necrons...

Jolten Joetaco: Oh no, it can't get me a Tau list that can beat a nob biker list.

CrazyThang: I'm sure Tau players beat Orks all the time.

Jolten Joetaco: Or a Witch Hunters list. That can beat anything.

CrazyThang: Oh yeah... I always forget they exist.

Jolten Joetaco: Orks against Ork cheese: the game isn't very balanced because of the cheese in the game.

CrazyThang: I'm going to post this on Dakkadakka see what everyone says

Jolten Joetaco: Do it! Get opinions from people who don't know anything. And the occasional person who really does know a lot. I just thought of another reason: Orks are much more simple than eldar. You still forget your rules, but Orks only have "Mob Rule" and "Furious Charge".

CrazyThang: I'll give you that.

comments?

133+QUISITIONED.

What up where now? This coversation is hard to follow, like Tzeentchs plans, or Slaanesh's member.

CrazyThang wrote:... I don't know. Comments on the ork setup or... like who they agree with? This is just my day for stupid posts isn't it?

If you decide on an actual discussion topic, feel free to start again.