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Hio dakka.

I'd just like to send out a new idea, for guard.

I can see it already. 20 guardsmen from two different squad, firing from different angles and making the enemy screem ohshiz!

So, my new idea, for an order:
Cooperative fire! (maybe Cohesive fire!)
when this order is issued, any squad within command range may fire on a single squad, gaining:
1st: (doesn't stack up with the fire up rule that grants an extra shot)
For every squad after the second to fire on the same target (if they're in range for order.) may fire an extra shot, assuming at least one member of the last squad hit
(this wouldn't work for lascannons or plasma weapons (heavy weapons, special weapons etc.))
2nd: for the second squad to fire, the squad being shot at must take a pinning test.

So its FRF,SRF and also causes a pinning test?

Pass.

Hi all.
IF there was a game mechanic in place to allow unit groups to be formed under specified leaders, and a proper supression game mechanic, then this sort of tactical interaction would happen naturally in most forces not just the IG...
But then these would be straightforward simulatuion type rules , not the abstract mess 40k tends to be.

If you want to play a reasonable simulation of modern warfare, 40k is NOT the place to look!
You may be better served by other rule sets?

I'd consider removing the increased rate of fire and just having the guns cause pinning. For every squad after the first, the unit being fired upon takes a -1 to their leadership for the pinning test. Maybe including a rule that after fire squads firing, even fearless units have to take a pinning test, as the sheer rate of fire makes advancing impossible.

I'd also consider making it a USR instead of a IG order. Concentrated fire from two or more squads of space marines is going to be at least as devastating.

no. i think people have misunderstood the use of 1st and second.

I meant 1st idea, 2nd idea.
not that it does bot.

So its two different ideas?
You really need to make it clear what your on about.

1st idea:
Its FRF,SRF, but worse! Oh Joy!

2nd idea:
You need to make it clearer what the order does? Do you issue the order to each squad? (in which case its rubbish) Do you only issue it to the second squad? How does serval of these work together?


If you want a crossfire rule, adapt the old Epic one.

Way OTT as usual.

Yeah, Im starting to feel like Solon is branching out into some new, twisted form of trolling... spamming OTT/useless rules ideas.

sorry... how is this over the top?

If you take the first idea only, its like you copied out FRF,SRF, but made the languge worse (quite an achivment, given GWs normal ability to write)
If you take the second idea only, its sort of ok, but completly unnessary, and its hard to work out what you think it should do, or even how such a rule could be applied.
If you take them both together, its OTT.

ok. one squad fires.
as long as the first squad wounds.
second squad fires, any wound the second squad commits creates a pinning test.
(unless they have to take a LD test.)

So is this an order or not?


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So is this an order or not?

it's what I'll consider a 2nd grade order.

as in, it's bassically screamed, and everyone within range complies as normal (not issued specifically.)

So:
Which units is it issued to?
Who takes the Ld check?
How does it interact with other orders?
If it only allows one order (as normal orders do) can I choose to allow it on some units, and not on others?
Who can issue it?
Does it cause multiple pinning tests if 3 or more units wound?
Can the units effected fire on different targets to each other?



You REALLY need to think things through before you make something up (ie "2nd grade order")

any unit within command range
any unit you like, it can be used on more then one unit.
I'm not sure. How does dakka think it should.
Yes.
Platoon CS Regimental CS Sgt. bastonne(maybe?)
no. only one (or maybe it should?) additionally, it can only be targeted on one unit (i.e. 4 squads cannot make two other squads take a pinning test.)
If they wish, but as above they can't use this rule on more then one character?

Captain Solon wrote:any unit within command range
any unit you like, it can be used on more then one unit.
Does that take up multiple order 'slots'?
I'm not sure. How does dakka think it should.
Yes.
So when do you declare which units are accepting the order? Does the Officer take the Ld check, or the units that are accepting the order. What happens if my SO has ordered a unit to BiD, then my JO uses this order? Does it preculde it from affecting them?
Platoon CS Regimental CS Sgt. bastonne(maybe?)
So its a JO level order
no. only one (or maybe it should?) additionally, it can only be targeted on one unit (i.e. 4 squads cannot make two other squads take a pinning test.)
If they wish, but as above they can't use this rule on more then one character?

I'm going to assume character means unit. Also, you need to read the order rules. Being ordered FORCES the unit to perform the ordered action (usauly shooting)

Ok. for red:
not sure.
Only units who haven't gotten an order yet, maybe. and Anyone who would usually take a LD test for this situation.
Yes.
so it's implausible to take an order out that is optional? it's not DIRECTED at a specific squad

But thats the thing:
Currently, all order's must be directed at a squad, which must the perform the action.
You need to explain how this interacts with the current rules. Giving it to any number of units in the command raduis is crazy, and basicly should force all units to fire at the same target.