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"If the librarian travels alone there is no risk" = ?

Does he not have to roll scatter?
If he does scatter, and he lands in a piece of terrain or impassable object, what happens?

Thanks for your help

Fabu00 wrote:"If the librarian travels alone there is no risk" = ?

Does he not have to roll scatter?
If he does scatter, and he lands in a piece of terrain or impassable object, what happens?

Thanks for your help

Nope, he does scatter. They mean that when he travels alone, you don't have to use the extra rule and kill off some of your guys. Looking for rulebook now, to find the exact rule.
EDIT: Found it. "If the deep strike attempt scatters and a double is rolled, one member of the unit, chosen by the controlling player, is claimed by the Warp and removed as a casualty(the survivors scatter normally).

So, if the librarian is alone you don't have to use this rule. If he is with a squad, and you scatter and a double is rolled, a guy is lost. Remove a casualty (you choose).

I see. If he is using it alone, and since he uses the deep strike rules, he could scatter and be forced to use the mishap table and all three of its possibilities?

Fabu00 wrote:I see. If he is using it alone, and since he uses the deep strike rules, he could scatter and be forced to use the mishap table and all three of its possibilities?

Correct. But if he deep strikes within the range of a locator beacon, he won't scatter.

time wizard wrote:

Fabu00 wrote:I see. If he is using it alone, and since he uses the deep strike rules, he could scatter and be forced to use the mishap table and all three of its possibilities?

Correct. But if he deep strikes within the range of a locator beacon, he won't scatter.

Actually, he does.

He would still scatter because the beacon only works with teleporting? Or if not, whats the reasoning why he would still scatter Gwar ?

Fabu00 wrote:He would still scatter because the beacon only works with teleporting? Or if not, whats the reasoning why he would still scatter Gwar ?

Because the Beacon lets units ARRIVING via Deep Strike to not scatter. A Librarian using GoI can hardly arrive on the Battlefield he is already on.

I see, very good.

But in the real world everyone plays that a locator Beacon allows the libby to not scatter and tournaments play this way too. Only if you are playing Gwarhammer would you not be able to use the locator beacon.

Actually I think you could argue that. Considering he (and unit if there is one is) "are removed from the tabletop and immediatly placed back together..."

I agree with you completely he/they were on, then return. But rules wise, they are removed and then placed back together via deep strike.

Just saying there seems like enough evidence to make an argument for the other side


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Reading the Locator Beacon rules more clearly, there is emphasis on units wishing to arrive on battlefield, so i remove my last argument

Gwar! wrote:

Fabu00 wrote:He would still scatter because the beacon only works with teleporting? Or if not, whats the reasoning why he would still scatter Gwar ?

Because the Beacon lets units ARRIVING via Deep Strike to not scatter. A Librarian using GoI can hardly arrive on the Battlefield he is already on.

Hahaha c'mon guy! You so crazy.

Gwar! wrote:Because the Beacon lets units ARRIVING via Deep Strike to not scatter. A Librarian using GoI can hardly arrive on the Battlefield he is already on.

He left the battlefield. Now he's arriving again.

I think the arriving thing is a red herring the far more persuasive RAW arguement is that GoI isn't deep striking. Locator beacons only give benefit to model deep striking Gate says you use the DS mechanics but you are technically not DSing hence the locator is useless.

Obviously if you tried to pull this on someone they'd probably just slap you.

GoI is not deep striking. It is a psychic power used during the movement phase. The Librarian (and any unit he's with) are removed from the tabletop. They are then immediately placed anywhere 1)within 24" and 2) using deep strike rules.
The first paragraph of the locator beacon section is fluff. The rules says a unit arriving on the battlefield using deep strike does not scatter.
It does not say a unit arriving from reserves, or only units arriving from reserve, just units arriving on the battlefield.