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So I'm going to post random Batreps here from time to time.

Today I played TimMurray on Vassal. He was prepping for 'Ard Boyz so we played 2500 points.

I decided to bring out my Triple Deathstrike Guard list-so I knew how the game was going to go the instant I looked at his list.

My list:
CCS, 4 Melta, OotF, Chimera, Hull HF
175
CCS, 4 Melta, Astropath, Chimera, Hull HF
175
PBS, 3 Extra, Chimera, Hull HF
145
Vet squad, 3 Plasma, Chimera, Hull HF
170
Vet squad, 3 Plasma, Chimera, Hull HF
170
Vet squad, 3 Plasma, Chimera, Hull HF
170
Vet squad, 3 Plasma, Chimera, Hull HF
170
2 Vendetta, HBs
280
2 Vendetta, HBs
280
2 Vendetta, HBs
280
Deathstrike
160
Deathstrike
160
Deathstrike
160

2495

His list (from memory):
Ghaz + 10 Differentiated Nobz in a wagon w/ Rolla and Kannon
10 Differentiated Nobz in a wagon w/ Rolla and Kannon
KFF Mek + 6 Burnas in a wagon w/ Rolla and Kannon
20 boyz in a wagon w/ Rolla and Kannon
20 boyz in a wagon w/ Rolla and Kannon
3 Deffkoptas, Rokkits, Saws

We played the drawfest (Spearhead Cap and Con) with KPs as tiebreaker.

He wins the roll to go first and sets up everything on the line except 1 Kopta, which is outflanking. I set up the 2 CCS to suicide-melta and everything else pretty standard. Chims shielding Deathstrikes, obj in the corner. Vends in scouting positions.

We scout, Koptas get ready for charges on both CCS Chimeras, I hit the empty corners with Vendettas. I fail to seize, which I'm not too worried about.

All his wagons move up and put Kannons into the nearest Vendetta squadron to no damage. Deffkopta attacks open 1 Chimera and he says go.

I turbo the Vendetta squad he shot at and skimmer block him. The still embarked CCS plows forward, hops out, and meltas the Mek's wagon. I kill both Koptas, though I have to use a Vendetta squadron to finish one off It was either that or lose a Deathstrike.

His turn, the Kopta fails to come on. He tries to get through/around the skimmer block and doesn't do too hot, only downing 1 Vendetta on his turn.

Shooting shakes the other, and wipes the CCS. The burnas stun the Chimera in assault.

The Vendetta scoots back towards my lines to pick up a Vet squad. I figure I'll go for his objective.

All 3 Deathstrikes go off this turn and it's really on. Between that and the Vendettas, all his wagons pop and Ghaz's squad loses 4 nobz.

Multilasers and a Weaken Resolve blast a boy mob off the table.

He concedes because he can't reach my objective and I'll have no problem at least contesting his. I also had 8 KPs to his 3.

So wait, he conceeded at the bottom of the first turn? Wowie.

Bottom of 2.

So I started (but did not finish ) a game with Yani on Vassal tonight.

We played 2000 so I brought out a new list for testing.

ICB's New CSM

DP, MoN, Wings, WT
175
DP, MoN, Wings, WT
175
Dread, MM, HF
105
Dread, MM, HF
105
Dread, MM, HF
105
5 PM, 2 Melta, Rhino, Combi
170
5 PM, 2 Melta, Rhino, Combi
170
5 PM, 2 Melta, Rhino
160
5 PM, 2 Melta, Rhino
160
3 Oblits
225
3 Oblits
225
3 Oblits
225

2000

Yani's list (from memory):
Farseer, RoW, Doom, Guide
Autarch, Fusion
8 Dragons, Serpent, Scatter Laser, Stones
5 Dragons, Serpent, Scatter Laser, Stones
10 DA, Bladestorm, Serpent, EML
10 DA, Bladestorm, Serpent, EML
10 Storm Guardians, 2 Flamers, Warlock, Destructor, Serpent, EML
3 Jetbikes
Prism
Prism

Now I've never been fantastic at fighting mech Eldar. Maybe it was the brutal tabling I got back in 4th from one when I was 15 and scrubby, but I always cringe when I see them across the table.

We roll up 5 objectives, Pitched Battle. I deploy centrally, going for the objectives in the middle.

He refuses a flank and holes up in a corner, bikes in reserve. I know he won’t be staying still long, though. He fails to seize and off we go.

None of my dreads go nuts. My DPs dash up as fast as possible and my Rhinos, Oblits and Dreads shuffle forwards. One Rhino immobilizes itself on terrain and the rest pop smoke. Shooting sees me kill a Walker and shake the other two, as well as blowing the Scatter Laser off of the 5-man Dragon Serpent.

His turn, he dooms the DP nearer to him and scoots the five Dragons over to it, immobilizing his Serpent. The War Walkers move up and I don’t WT because RoW is up. The rest of his stuff shuffles around, except for the Storm Guardians which peel out for my flank and the 8 dragons which move up to the center. The Dragons hop out and lay meltas into the DP, putting 2 wounds on him. A Prism lights up an Oblit squad, killing 1. The other Prism drops another wound on the DP. The War Walkers charge the DP and kill it in exchange for 1. Bleh.

My turn again, I try to WT, only to perils and take a wound. I move up and pour fire into 2 Serpents with my entire army, including surprisingly sane dreads. I only stun them. A PM squad hops out and breaks the Dragons. They fall back and won’t stop running. The DP attempts to get to the Walker and fails with a 2,2,3. He starts sympathizing with my dice, I start saying that cold dice happen (especially on Vassal) and say go.

His bikes come on, and he dooms the 2 Oblits and Guides a Prism. His other dragons and Storm Guardians zoom up and pile out near my Doomed Oblits and immobilized Rhino. A couple other things shuffle, but a Prism in his back stays still. The Storms lay into the Oblits and only cause 1 wound. The dragons whiff and only kill one out of the other Oblit squad. The Guided Prism kills 2 PMs, the other kills 1.

I joke that we can’t seem to shoot each other

His last War Walker assaults my DP. The DP whiffs, so does the Walker.

At this point, my girlfriend comes to my door crying because she just found out that she failed her calculus test :( So the rest of the game will be on Friday.

So I got to finish my game today (and get his real list)

Yani's list:
Seer, RoW, Doom, Guide, Stones
Autarch, Fusion Gun
8 Dragons, Exarch, Breath, Serpent, Scatter Laser, Stones
5 Dragons, Serpent, Scatter Laser, Stones
10 DA, Bladestorm, Dual Shuri, Serpent, EML, Stones
10 DA, Bladestorm, Dual Shuri, Serpent, EML, Stones
10 Storm Guardians, 2 Flamers, Warlock, Spear, Destructor, Serpent, EML, Stones
3 Jetbikes, Shuricannon
Prism
Prism
3 War Walkers, Scatter Lasers

Starting top of 3:
One dread goes Fire Frenzy this turn. Everything else moves to take out his stuff on my flank. The lone PM leaps back in his Rhino and heads for an objective. The PMs on my home objective jump out near the Dragons.

My dice get hot in the shooting phase, killing both Serpents near me and a Prism. Assault sees me wipe the Storm Guardians with Oblits. The PMs charge the dragons, kill one, and stay locked. The DP and WW whiff at each other again.

His turn and both Doom and Guide fail to go off, though Ghosthelm saves his Seer. He jumps out a DA unit to keep the objective the lone PM’s Rhino is on and moves the bikes that way too. His remaining Prism lines up on that Rhino as well. The Autarch moves up near my Oblits and hops out. His bikes blow up the Rhino, killing 3 DA in the process. The DA Bladestorm the PM, killing him (only 1 wound got through, though-I love PMs ). His Prism and Autarch shoot my wounded Oblits and kill one. An EML stuns a Dreadnought.

The DP and Walker whiff more, the Dragons and PMs kill one each.

My turn, a dread goes rage-y and heads for the Dragons, not making it even with a 5" run. Shooting pops another Serpent and wipes a DA squad off the board. An Oblit charges the other. The Dragons in combat with the PMs lose 1 and flee and he's up.

He dooms the Oblit in combat and Guides the fleeing Dragons. His Autarch heads for one of my objectives. The bikes jump onto his objective. His last Prism heads for my Rhino on the far objective, turboing in. His Serpent does the same to another objective. Shooting sees the bikes take a wound off the Prince before the Dragons vaporize it.

The Autarch charges the PMs and takes a wound for his trouble.

My turn, all my dreads rage. Shooting can’t down the Prism or Serpent, but 2 crazy dreads kill the Serpent in assault. The Autarch takes another wound and the Oblit smooshes a DA. A crazed Dread charges the Dragons and explodes for trying.

He’s contesting 1 of my objectives, but I’ll have him if we go to 6. It’s a draw as we go into the bottom of 5.

He scoots his prism around my objective and moves his seer to attack the PMs. The Dragons pour fire into the oblits near them and only kill one, same with the Prism. The Farseer charges the PMs and takes 2 wounds for his trouble. The PMs kill the Autarch.

My turn the prism drops to meltas. Assault sees the Farseer die and me get a second objective on consolidate. He can’t beat that (his bikes are on one and he can't contest with anything else), so that’s game.



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Post-Game thoughts:
The DPs did exactly what they were supposed to, soak up fire, do some damage, and die. They pretty much kept all of those S6 War Walker shots out of the game.

I was impressed with the Dreads. Even when they went crazy the did useful stuff. The INAT ruling (which makes sense) makes them playable.

PMs didn't need PFs really. More testing to follow.

Heya ICB.

Really good game. But if it had ended turn 5 I would have won. 1 objective to none, as the Farseer had just charged the plagues in control of your only uncontested objective. So close but that's how games should be.

In hindsight I made 2 rather silly errors. I dived for the objectives on turn 4 rather than hanging back and getting into position for a last turn dive. But then again you probably would have killed my jetbikes if you were not preoccupied with the tanks in your face.

Also I forgot that there was only a single PM in the rhino and had disembarked the dires to take down the 5 man squad I was expecting to fall out of the wreckage. However that single plague marine may have caused problems as it was in melta range of most of my tanks. So it had to die .

Really good game and it was fun to face a properly tight list . We shall have to play each other again. And congratulations on your well deserved victory.

So I played with Kildash on Vassal this afternoon and "walked out" on a game for the first time in my life. Sorry for the wall of text.
ICB’s IG
CCS, 4 Melta, OoTF, Chimera, Hull HF
175
PBS , 4 Extra, Chimera, Hull HF
155
10 Vets, 3 Plasma, Chimera, Hull HF
170
PCS, 4 Flamers, Chimera, Hull HF
105
Infantry Squad, Autocannon, Flamer, Chimera, Hull HF
115
Infantry Squad, Autocannon, Chimera, Hull HF
110
Autocannon HWT
75
Autocannon HWT
75
2 Vendettas, HBs
280
2 Vendettas, HBs
280
Vendetta, HBs
140
Manticore
160
Manticore
160

2000
Kildash’s CSM
HQ: 410
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with Wings and Lash of Submission
155
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with Wings and Lash of Submission
155
Greater Daemon
100
Elites: 540
5 Chosen with 5x meltagun
140
Chaos Rhino with dozer blades
40
5 Chosen with 5x meltagun
140
Chaos Rhino with dozer blades
40
5 Chosen with 5x meltagun
140
Chaos Rhino with dozer blades
40
Troops: 570
5 Chaos Marines, including meltagun and aspiring champion
100
Chaos Rhino with dozer blades and combi-melta
50
5 Chaos Marines, including meltagun and aspiring champion
100
Chaos Rhino with dozer blades
40
5 Chaos Marines, including meltagun and aspiring champion
100
Chaos Rhino with dozer blades
40
5 Chaos Marines, including meltagun and aspiring champion
100
Chaos Rhino with dozer blades
40
Heavy Support: 480
5 Havocs with 4x meltagun
115
Chaos Rhino with combi-melta
45
5 Havocs with 4x meltagun
115
Chaos Rhino with combi-melta
45
5 Havocs with 4x meltagun
115
Chaos Rhino with combi-melta
45

2000

A list I figured my Guard could deal with.

The board had quite a bit of LoS-blocking terrain in the “Ruined City” feel, and a bunch of roads that he has all over (I hate roads, it’s free movement ). More than 25% is covered. I don’t like the look of the board from the get-go.

We roll up Pitched Battle Two Objectives, and he wins the roll for first. He puts his objective on the line; I put mine in a corner.

He puts everything on the line, I set up gunline style.

I fail to seize and off we go.

He zooms off for my side. I realize, as I look at the road rules, that he can move 18” and disembark. I’m starting to dislike what’s going on here.

All his Rhinos smoke except for the one on his objective and one that immobilized nearby. The CSM squad blows up a Vendetta and he says go.

I shuffle and shoot. He gets very argumentative with rules, claiming that the entirety of my Vendetta has to be outside of 1” of his Rhino (he changes his tune when I say he’ll be able to get through the block).

My shooting opens 3 Rhinos, knocks a few wounds off of DPs, and smacks around the CSM that killed the Vendetta. He claims here that if the hole is over 2 Rhinos from a Mantie blast I only get one at S10. We 4+ it to keep the game going and I lose. After my shooting phase (“That took long enough…”) I say go.

His GD comes in on the beat up CSM squad. He tries to claim that the GD coming in doesn’t kill a CSM b/c it only says killed under, “If the possessed model is in a vehicle…” and “removed” elsewhere.
He hops out a CSM squad near my CCS Chimera hoping for a lucky melta shot.
Chosen move up to the skimmer block. There’s a 3.5” gap and he claims a Rhino can go between them because I had said, “You’ll be able to get through the block”. Then everything else moves within 1” of it as well . He says that he’s, “Not going to demand an apology.”

He pulls more shenanigans and I’m done with this gak-I play to have fun and this game has been nothing but frustration.

Some of the stuff he tried:
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - ?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - How does it have cover?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - No BLoS
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you're shooting past 2 layers of ruin, and past your chimera
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - That looks like half the facing to me.
<Kildash 1850/2k> - the chimera blocks entirely (chimera can't see over a chimera, duh xD), and the rubble'll take away some too
<Kildash 1850/2k> - so less than 50%
<Kildash 1850/2k> - and its not half the facing btw, but my above negates the point of debating that
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Can see over rubble, chim is higher.
<Kildash 1850/2k> - yes, you can see over, but a small part'll still be obscured
<Kildash 1850/2k> - and
<Kildash 1850/2k> - if you insist
<Kildash 1850/2k> - less than 2" vs at least 2"
<Kildash 1850/2k> - so cover
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Hatch goes all the way to the back
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - >50%
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you're shooting over terrain anyway, and (as we have already said before, and again to gorgon), there are no heights for the "ruins"... it's ruined walls, not rubble
<Kildash 1850/2k> - so it might actually be quite high
<Kildash 1850/2k> - thing is
<Kildash 1850/2k> - we can't know for sure
<Kildash 1850/2k> - which is why, on vassal, you mark
<Kildash 1850/2k> - if it says 4+, its high enough to give cover, but not high enough for blos
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - I can see 2/3rds of the facing.
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you're stretching... but it doesn't MATTER
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - It being on top of one of those walls, I don't think that's uch cover there/
<Kildash 1850/2k> - the label says 4+
<Kildash 1850/2k> - if simply sticking to the labels is too hard, then you shouldn't be playing on vassal, in my oppinio
<gorgon_locke> - wow, RICHARD
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - IDK, it's only you I've had trouble with.
<Kildash 1850/2k> - dude... the label says cover, why would that NOT be cover?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - it's simple
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - I don't have a problem with it being cover.
<Kildash 1850/2k> - *sigh*... so then why don't i have cover, if it's cover?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - I have a problem with it being some indeterminate magical height that conforms to whatever you need ATM
<Kildash 1850/2k> - dude, it's not some "indeterminate magical height"
<Kildash 1850/2k> - its vassal, its hard to deal with heights, since its 2d...
<Kildash 1850/2k> - so its high enough not to blos, but to cover
<Kildash 1850/2k> - which is labelled
<Kildash 1850/2k> - is it that hard to understand,
<Kildash 1850/2k> - ?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you know, I honestly couldn't care less about that rhino anyway, its not like its important anymore... you should consider why I have cover, since I really do, but to speed this up a bit, I'll kill it
<Kildash 1850/2k> - its done the job anyway
And:
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - dark green needs morale
<Kildash 1850/2k> - wound me
<Kildash 1850/2k> - why?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - it's not counted as a casualty
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - lost over 25% of unit in a phase to GD spawn
<Kildash 1850/2k> - its just removed from play
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - CSM pg 61.
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - "THE POSSESSED MODEL IS KILLED"
<Kildash 1850/2k> - where do you read that line?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - paragraph 3, GD
<Kildash 1850/2k> - ah, yes, but read above that... that's the sentence where it says "inside a transport"
<Kildash 1850/2k> - IF it is inside a transport
<Kildash 1850/2k> - doesn't say that in the normal line, when its not inside a transport
* d6 = 4 * <Kildash 1850/2k>, Sides = 6, Added to each die = 0
* d6 = 2 * <Kildash 1850/2k>, Sides = 6, Added to each die = 0
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Seriously?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - test taken
<Kildash 1850/2k> - happy?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - and yes
<Kildash 1850/2k> - I'm right
<Kildash 1850/2k> - RAW
<Kildash 1850/2k> - but whatever
<Kildash 1850/2k> - I took my test
<Kildash 1850/2k> - explode your vehicle and wound me
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> rolls 1 dice, 1+ to hit, 5+ to wound...
And:
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - OK, one sec.
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - You're ending within one
<Kildash 1850/2k> - I thought you said the base?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - the base is the hectagonal thing, but then in a circle
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - I said "<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - the base is under the "tropp compartment""
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - You can go up and see...
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you said yourself I could fit in between
<Kildash 1850/2k> - if you went up, you would've seen that too
<gorgon_locke> - nope
<gorgon_locke> - can't be w/in 1"
<gorgon_locke> - and their bases would make it impossible
<Kildash 1850/2k> - gorgon, you have no business interfering in this... iron, you said yourself I could fit
<gorgon_locke> - ihave every business making sure 40k is played as 40k
<Kildash 1850/2k> - <Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - You'll be able to get through the block =D
<Kildash 1850/2k> - brute?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - typing
<Kildash 1850/2k> - ...
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - I didn't put a Rhino in and measure, nor did I say a Rhino would fit. I just said you could potentially get through because there is a gap wider than 3"
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you didn't say I "could potentially"... you said I WILL be able to
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - There is a gap wider than 3"
<Kildash 1850/2k> - so then I can fit
<Kildash 1850/2k> - simple
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - With infantry
<Kildash 1850/2k> - besides, the base isn't rectangular
<Kildash 1850/2k> - it's oval, just a tadd bigger than the hectagon
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you said yourself I could fit man, don't be the kind of person that says something and then denies/changes it
<gorgon_locke> - he gave you a possible move option and said it *could* possibly work
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Look, I don't care if you put a Rino through from a tactics perspective.
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - And ad hominem attacks aren't helpful
<Kildash 1850/2k> - my rhino is through... I'm not going to ask for an apology, as a bit of a compensation towards you, but don't try to pull stupid things on me
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - WTF?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Who the hell are you to demand an apology from me?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - as I said
<Kildash 1850/2k> - I don't
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - You're saying you could.
<Kildash 1850/2k> - I'm not saying that
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you're interpreting it that way
<Kildash 1850/2k> - I just said I'm not going to ask for it
<Kildash 1850/2k> - yellow moves
And:
n_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Yes?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you don't all have the arc
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - 45 degrees
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - So yeah, I do
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - line straight down
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - hull mounted
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you also need LoS... you'd be tracing through your own cockpit, no?
<gorgon_locke> - not for vehicles
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - They aren't on the same plane. The DP is below it
<Kildash 1850/2k> - true
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Vendettas are about 6" in the air.
<Kildash 1850/2k> - so that was a HB?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - That was las
<gorgon_locke> - and 12" for wobbly model syndrome
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - I from the right
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you fired three shots...
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - I have 3 lascannons
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - ...
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you do?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - ow
<Kildash 1850/2k> - I thought two
<Kildash 1850/2k> - my bad
And:
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - just the one
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - looks like both Rhinos at S10
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - left
<Kildash 1850/2k> - lol... you're kidding, right?
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - no...
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - They're both under the hole...
<Kildash 1850/2k> - it's not TRULY the hole that's used
<Kildash 1850/2k> - its the centre
<Kildash 1850/2k> - "the centre of the blast marker ends over the vehicle's hull"...
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - And the last sentence in the paragraph right before that.
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - "it makes a big difference if the hole in the center of the blast marker is over the vehicle or not"
<Kildash 1850/2k> - the rule itself however says "the centre"
And:
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - On target
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - D3 blasts
* d6 = 2 * <Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]>, Sides = 6, Added to each die = 0
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - just the one
<Kildash 1850/2k> - you should've rolled D3 first, but sure
<Kildash 1850/2k> - no problem
<Kildash 1850/2k> - roll em
<Iron_Chaos_Brute [PM for game]> - Why should I roll D3 first?
<Kildash 1850/2k> - never mind, doesn't matter
Very frustrating game.

You know...I've played Kildash twice and wouldn't do it again. And in random conversation with other vassal folks, they avoid him too - you might want to steer clear in the future.

I wasn't planning on a Round 2.

That's the first time in my life I've ever just left a game of 40K.

Wow... he seriously argued about the definition of "center" and "hole" in the blast template? What a douche. That's why I just don't play games on vassal... you get the same internet mentalities as the forums in some cases.