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Hey all!

I am making two points here:

First,according to the backgrounds,meltas are melted metal shot at other people,plasma weapons are weapons with a true plasma core,which is what the sun is made of!
And the rules are that melta has higher strength and lower AP than plasma?God!

Second thing is that,to make the game more interesting and more realistic,models may trade weapons if they are in the same unit,for example,the marine captain runs into a devastator squad,slap one of his bro on the face,and rob his plasma cannon away,and use it as his own
Of course,this happens more often with orks,lol

Thanks for reading and extra thanks for response

1.) No, Melta Weapons are heat-based weapons which work by sub-atomic agitation of the air. Targets on the receiving end are heated to the point of being vaporised.
source:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Melta_Weapon

2.) It'd be too complicated to keep track of in game. Also Plasma cannons require a huge power source which is why they have the cables running to their back pack so its more complicated then just "give me that"

I agree, it would make the game yet more complicated than what it is.

WYSIWYG = What You See Is What You Get
WYSIWYGUYMTWWAM =What You See Is What You Get Unless Your Model Traded Weapons With Another Model

Just not as catchy.

Plus, the Codex only allows certain units to take certain weapons, for specific reasons. Destroying that means Gretchin with Power Klaws, Sternguard squads with Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, and Tau Ethereals with Rail Rifles...

Che-Vito wrote:WYSIWYG = What You See Is What You Get
WYSIWYGUYMTWWAM =What You See Is What You Get Unless Your Model Traded Weapons With Another Model

Just not as catchy.

Plus, the Codex only allows certain units to take certain weapons, for specific reasons. Destroying that means Gretchin with Power Klaws, Sternguard squads with Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields, and Tau Ethereals with Rail Rifles...

And only one of those is bad

...the marine captain runs into a devastator squad,...

The SM CAPTAIN would charge, it really doesn't matter what chapter we are talking about here the odds are overwhelmingly in his favor as long as he doesn't stand there and "shoot it out". There is a quote from the 3rd edition rule book dealing with this scenario, something about playing to your enemies weaknesses and I can't remember it off hand.

ComputerGeek01 wrote:

...the marine captain runs into a devastator squad,...

The SM CAPTAIN would charge, it really doesn't matter what chapter we are talking about here the odds are overwhelmingly in his favor as long as he doesn't stand there and "shoot it out". There is a quote from the 3rd edition rule book dealing with this scenario, something about playing to your enemies weaknesses and I can't remember it off hand.

Reading comprehension fail!

...he's talking about a friendly Devastator squad.

they are a very scaled down power of the sun.

how about you make it they can use it for the one turn, only RF and assault/pistol weapons.

What possible good would swapping weapons do, besides add more complexity and introduce some goofy exploits?

tactical situations call for goofy exploitations.

I can see a commisar going
"you! give me your fething plasma gun."
if the model refuses, the commisar keeps the gun, and executes the other model.

Captain Solon wrote:tactical situations call for goofy exploitations.

I can see a commisar going
"you! give me your fething plasma gun."
if the model refuses, the commisar keeps the gun, and executes the other model.

Ok now imagine this. You see a SM tac squad moving toward your terminators. Usually no big deal but when they are withing 12" the move 6, shoot melta guns, then charge with power swords. But how is this possible you ask? That's just a standard tac squad. To which your opponent says "Yea but they swapped weapons with W, X, Y & Z" This is just a bad idea.

kroot with railgun from broadsides
yeah its bad idea

At the risk if repetition, it's too complicated and unneccessary, though we could have hours of fun thinking of mad combinations of units and different weapons on here.....

IG weapon squads trading weapons with Commissar Lord and Sly Marbo. Standard IG squads picking up four more Heavy Weapons then jumping into a Valkyrie. Ogryns switching out their Ripper Guns for Lascannons!

It's not a horrendous idea, but something that could be saved for a Special Character or maybe USR:

Weapons Expert: Model may be treated as crewing any weapon in their squad as long as the model is a part of that squad.

So, for example, you could get a Captain crewing a Lascannon with their superior BS, but as soon as he leaves the squad they go back to normal. Or a unit upgrade for IG Weapons squads, a Sgt. with boosted BS. You could mix your HWS and have them hopping around from Lascannon one turn to a Heavy Bolter the next.

Skinnattittar wrote:IG weapon squads trading weapons with Commissar Lord and Sly Marbo. Standard IG squads picking up four more Heavy Weapons then jumping into a Valkyrie. Ogryns switching out their Ripper Guns for Lascannons!

It's not a horrendous idea, but something that could be saved for a Special Character or maybe USR:

Weapons Expert: Model may be treated as crewing any weapon in their squad as long as the model is a part of that squad.

So, for example, you could get a Captain crewing a Lascannon with their superior BS, but as soon as he leaves the squad they go back to normal. Or a unit upgrade for IG Weapons squads, a Sgt. with boosted BS. You could mix your HWS and have them hopping around from Lascannon one turn to a Heavy Bolter the next.

That is a pretty good idea Skinnattittar.

The ability to switch weapons would overcomplicated things and mean you would have to keep track with either: 1- multiple models with different weapons or 2- paper and pen

The Acolyte wrote:The ability to switch weapons would overcomplicated things and mean you would have to keep track with either: 1- multiple models with different weapons or 2- paper and pen

Or something simpler like I suggested and just, essentially, give the weapon the character's BS for the shooting phase.

Mmmmm lootas with BS 3

Imagine Khorne Berzerkers with meltaguns.

It makes the game too complicated and quite frankly make a unit too OP.

Good for story and drama-driven game play, aka specific scenario or D&D based gaming. Bad for balance and competitive-driven gaming, aka most of the rest of 40k.