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First thing,first. Pleas no troll this. This a mature discussion about Hooters nad other related stuff.
A couple of girls in my class said they love hooters. The teacher then go into a discussion about how it is demaning and illegal.
he said it only looks at women as object he said if i rember the same with porn and strippers.
I dont beleive that. I beleive its actually empowering. It give women a chance to flount what the got. The get tons of money from men who hinge on there word.
What do you guys think.
Please lets keep this clean.

Its empowering for a de empowering reason. Kind of like how only Eunechs are allowed to be ministers in Chinese imperial households because that way they can't get the Empress pregnant. Sure you have a powerful position in the seat of government but to get it you literally had to have your balls chopped off.

Honestly, I am not a fan of Hooters. I find it to be repulsive and encouraging to our baser drives. Women are not objects, nor are they animals. It is comparable, in my mind, to the effect that the Adult industry has on society, especially on young men: it objectifies women. Also, their food sucks at Hooters....

In my opinion, if they want to do it, let them. It's not like anyone is forcing them to do it.
However, being British and thus utterly disgusted and repelled by any hint of sexuality, would not be inclined to visit such a place.

Also:

It has a double negative effect. It makes the ladies see men as pay checks, and men see women and...well... hooters.

Plus for the price of the food you could get a stripper team or 4 hookers.

Best bet is to just get a GF who will show you hooters and make chicken, thats what I did.

Sounds like yourself and the girls in your class are post-feminist.
I don't think it's a particularly useful mode of thought.

I'm going to get picked on for this, but...what exactly IS Hooters?

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:I'm going to get picked on for this, but...what exactly IS Hooters?

It is a chain of restaurants in the US that serves chicken wings and beer in which the waitress's wear the out fit you see in GWAR!s above post. Basically a sports pub with chicks in skimpy outfits.

And they do the dance my avatar does

I think it's the men that get taken advantage of, really. Maybe not so much in Hooters, because the supposedly objectified women in those establishments still cover the sexual parts.

Lets talk strip clubs, for a minute, however. In a strip club, all a women has to do is is take off her shirt, and men will throw gratuitous amounts of money at her.

It's true that society places emphasis on the breasts, but if you really think about it, why are they viewed as such a sexual, dirty thing; especially compared to only part of a man's torso. A man's chest an a woman's chest are very much the same. Both sexes have nipples, both sexes have a layer of fat covering the pectoral muscle, (women more so) the only difference is that women can secrete milk from theirs, under the right conditions.

A double standard exists where it's perfectly acceptable for a man to show off the most objectified part of his torso (a well formed six pack) in, say, a public beach environment, but a woman has to cover the most objectified part of hers.

When you really think about it, though, breasts are not all they're cracked up to be. Women who realize this, and realize their power over most men, love to use them to their advantage, adding further ammunition to my argument: Women are evil.

I'm not sure I see the rationale behind the whole "objectification" argument. When a waiter is serving my table, I see him as primarily a method of getting my food to me. He probably sees me primarily as another task set before him. We're just not going to have time to get to know each other personally, and that seems okay to me. I mean, it's not like we actually think that the other person is a mindless robot in disguise. One of us might say something like "beautiful weather today" to the other one, just for a little social interaction, although we're never going to become too sociable, unless I've become a fairly regular customer.

It seems to me that the only time it ever matters that a person is "objectified" is when they're used to promote sexual desire, which is even stranger if you think about it, since it seems generally accepted that people want to have sex with other people more than they want to have sex with inanimate objects.

I don't think I'd ever go Hooters though, as I pretty much just go to restaurants to eat food...

Yes, the objectification argument only plays out well over a long relationship; ie. a husband treats his wife as an object akin to a television, or a car. You buy it, then its yours; no need to continue attending to it. Its an argument of degree, not an argument of category; though no one admits to it because no one wants to admit that they are objects.

I think the episode "Raisins" from south park summed up hooters pretty well.

Personally, I've never been a fan of the food there, but that's not really why people go.

At this point, it's a job, and I see nothing wrong with it, if it helps pay the bills.

And there was me thinking this was a conversation about boobs: (

Maybe Hooters does objectify women. My question would be... so?

I wasn't aware of women being forced to work at these places at gunpoint. If they want to be objects, it's their business.

Hooters sucks.

I like Showmes better.

Men's breasts can secrete milk under certain circumstances. All the equipment is there, but it is usually dormant.

Men can also develop breast cancer.

Kilkrazy wrote:Men's breasts can secrete milk under certain circumstances. All the equipment is there, but it is usually dormant.

Men can also develop breast cancer.

Moobs are awesome.

I also find it funny how people cry madly about places like Hooters but don't seem to mind Chippendales.

Whats Chippendales?

Ratbarf wrote:Whats Chippendales?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Ratbarf wrote:Whats Chippendales?

Nice one my friend

Monster Rain has it. They chose to work at those types of places. If they were worried about being objectified they could have worked as a librarian or some other place. The reason they work there is they know men will throw money at them for bending over to show off their cleavage. The food sucks most of the women are fugly and the atmosphere sucks anyways. If you want to see boobies go to a strip club at least there you actually see them.

They have Maid Cafes here where the waitresses are fully clothed in unsexy outfits.

Like the Germans, the Japanese have some strange things that get their motors going. I believe it has something to do with losing World War II.

Monster Rain wrote:Maybe Hooters does objectify women. My question would be... so?

I wasn't aware of women being forced to work at these places at gunpoint. If they want to be objects, it's their business.

but you have to ask yourselve. Even if it is there choice is it good for society that men see them as nothing but objects.

So whats so bad about Chippendales?

garret wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Maybe Hooters does objectify women. My question would be... so?

I wasn't aware of women being forced to work at these places at gunpoint. If they want to be objects, it's their business.

but you have to ask yourselve. Even if it is there choice is it good for society that men see them as nothing but objects.

Society dosen't need Hooters in order to "objectify" one another,people (yes men & women) have been doing that long before Hooters serverd their first crappy wing and over priced mug of beer.

Do we need hooters? Yes, where else will Red Necks take their offspring to dinner as they can't legally take them into a strip joint? If you close down Hooters, you can expect red neck families to en masse move to more non hooterific restaurant locations. Do you really want noisy fat obnoxiouis kids with a dad who isn't much better and is trying to flirt with the waitress?

@ Ratbarf.

They already have those restaurants,they are called "Denny's" and "Applebees".

I don't know if we have those in Canada, I think we have applebees but not in great abundance. We do have Hooters however.

When I went to a strip-club in Amsterdam, I didn't go there to see women being 'empowered' - I went to see women debase themselves whilst I slowly got very drunk.

It's not particularly pleasant, but at least I'm honest about it. That's why men go to places like that - to satisfy our darker half.