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Hi dakka. I beleive the current 're-roll a miss' for TL cannons is slightly underpowered.

here is Solons Overpowered alternative:

(I'll use a lascannon.)

rather then having one Heavy 1 S9AP2 shot, you get a specific (as wargear) "twin linked-heavy 1"
Now. what will this do?

lets use it like this: when that cannon fires, both cannons shoot at the same time.
so: I suggest, instead of re-rolling failed to hits work it like this:
roll one 'to hit' shot (for a heavy bolter, 3.) and if that to hit shot manages to hit, it can do 2 S9AP2 shots, rather then a single.

-OR-
Alternatively, for the purposes of tanks:
they count as one gun for movement purposes (i.e. you could fire both lascannons on a LR W/ POTMS using this) but when you shoot, you shoot them as seperate weapons.

Why couldn't you add this here?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/285988.page

1: Why?
2: Twin-linked is fine as it is.
3: Why?

Valk

Twin linked is fine as it is.

Captain Solon wrote:Hi dakka. I beleive the current 're-roll a miss' for TL cannons is fine.

Fixed

The current rule works well, but I like the Solons overpowered version. Makes more sense, and it would just make the lascannons cost a bit more. But I'd leave it as it is, because it's better for gaming.

For anyone who plays mordheim, the Ostlanders could get make all their guns double barreled and it was one roll to hit and if you hit it was then 2 rolls to wound. I thought it was fun myself but 40k is currently balanced with twin linked being 1 hit

Another web-smack for solon. somone should tally these.*smack*

Darkvoidof40k wrote:I'd leave it as it is, because it's better for gaming.

This.

Slaps forehead in exasperation

Ok, this is the last time I'm going to ask people to play nice in here.

The proposed rules forum is here for people to propose changes to the rules of the game. You may not like some of those ideas. That's fine. But that's no excuse for ridiculing the poster making a suggestion.

Pointing out (politely!) why you think a given idea is the wrong way to go is just fine. As is offering ideas as to how the idea could be refined or improved.

Simply slamming someone for having the temerity to float an idea? Nope, not acceptable.

If you can't play nice, don't post. Fail to police yourself on that very simple rule, and we'll do it for you.

I never really thought it made any sense that a twin linked weapon couldn't get mor than one hit. But as people has already stated the game is ballanced for twinlinked just hitting once.
I'd suggest that one hit becomes two hits instead, but that would only be a big boost for high BS armies and not that much for low BS.

I think that the mechanic for twin linked is fine. However I do wish that there was an option to pay extra points and instead of having twinlinked lascannon or twin linked heavy bolters and what not youcousl actually have two shots. I know this would cost more but I hate seeing two barrels and knowing that at most only one can hit!

Am I right in thinking the T-linked rules didn't always just confer a reroll? I seem to remember old 1 hit = 2. Might just be I was a noob playing it wrong though...

I, as an Ork player who loves his twin linked shootaz/big shootaz/rokkitz am quite fine with what Twin-linked does currently. I can see why you might want more bang for your two bucks, however it really seems unbalanced that way.

I see a problem with what captain Solon is proposing:

(I'll assume BS3 here for easy numbers but it doesn't change the point)

Solon's twin linked:
0 hits 50%
1 hit 0%
2 hits 50%

Two guns:
0 hits 25%
1 hit 50%
2 hits 25%

Twin-linked
0 hits 25%
1 hit 75%
2 hits 0%

What this means is that Solon's twin-linked is as good as two guns (except on a landraider) although any given shot is less reliable.

As it stands, twin-linked is supposed to be a more reliable, cheaper option which it achieves quite well.

With Solon's proposal twin-linked guns become more powerful but less reliable - is that what you intended?

Not a bad proposal for TL honestly. As a guard player I can see where either rule would be a tremendous boost to my fire power. TL lascannons rerolls sounds great. Solom's TL on my autocannon HWT for a possible 12 S7 AP4, hell yes!

Twin linked is fine as it is. No need to correct anything!

Solon I dont like your rule alteration because of what it does to the nature of the weapon and where it is found.

Twin linking as is is a form of insurance of reliability. Twin link a lascannon and you will be reasonably sure you get the shot in. So its good for expensive razorbacks for the 'quality shot' and for anything with the Machine Spirit to make the weapon workable.

Why you are planning has a completely different ethic, its an 'all or nothing' gun. Most forms of twin linking are not set up like that. Take the twin linked lascannon for a start, its a tank killing weapon, if it hits, it will slay any infantryman it touches. Doubling up the damage holds less attraction than boosting the accuracy.


If you want to upgun twin linking you could try a different method, keep the current twin link rules plus the chance to roll to hit for the twin linked weapon if you roll a six. So with a twin linked lascannon you get to roll to hit, reroll the first miss and if you are lucky and roll a 6 to hit you get a standard shot with the second gun giving a small chance to hit with both barrels.

This would work, but it could get a bit messy and GW would only overprice twin linked lascannon and bright lances yet further.