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Are there wars on imperial worlds like there is here, or do the imperium stop it? With the time interplanetary travel can take it would seem hard for the imperium to get there in time.
If countries allowed to fight each other how does this affect the structure of the planet, does the planetary governer get replaced or do they stay out of if?
If the imperium gets involved how do they decide who to back and do they get straight in or do they let it carry on for a while with the hope of it stopping peacefully?

well, all humans are under one godly figuer (emperah.) so there are no religeous wars.

as a general, war happens between cities, which often ends up with a lot of ordo exterminatus.

it's uncommon for intraplanetry wars, however it's always possible.

then again... who is gonna fight? the entire planetry garrison is expecting a nice tyranidical invayshun.

I disagree with Captain Solon.

The Adeptus Arbites represent the Imperium's authority, and they will stay out of planetary disputes... All that is required of an Imperial world is that it worships the Emperor (through any form of Imperial Cult), honours its tithe and shows loyalty to Terra.

Governmental change doesn't fall within the Imperium's mandate.

Thus, although it may be monitored closely (and perhaps put a stop to if a dangerous character emerges, say, a Chaos-influenced dictator), the Imperium allows civil war so long as the tithes remain uninterrupted.

Ok I thought that the government was controlled by the imperium and was just very low down on the command chain, that explains a lot. I guess that they stay out as long as the new boss is ok with following the rules. I thought the arbites were there to put down rebelions, although I would imagine they could be sent in to prevent a new govenrment taking control if they were not loyal to the imperium.

It seems a bit odd to me that the imperium would be ok with it if a planet was taken over by a new country / government as this coukd really slow the planet down for a while. Ont eh other hand there has to be wars on planets just because I don't think the imperium could ever prevent it fully.

It probably depends on the World

From the fluff i've seen you normally have a planetary governor who is in charge of the planet (he may also over see other local planets if its a small system with several inhabited planets) he is responsible for enforcing imperial law making sure tithes are payed.

below the governor you may have either leaders of the individual countries or hives if its a hive world but more likely you have guild leaders in these positions as the planets resources will be mined by the guilds

the guilds will have there own law enforcement either in the form of something akin to private security contractors/mercs or just gangs that they have empowered they may even have multiple gangs empowered each controlling a area (gang wars are probably pretty common as one gang attempts to either rise to a point of legitimacy or seeks to expand its territory)

Along side these you will have the PDF who are under the power of the Governor and are for defending the planet both from external threats and also quelling of rebellions

you also have the Adeptus Arbites these guys work for the Imperum first and the governor second they'll investigate serous crime (like the murder of imperial officials and the destruction of imperial property) they will also quell up risings and stuff like that

but as i said its a world by world bases there are worlds that have a very small imperial presence in the sons of dorn book the Imperial fist recruit from a world that is controlled by 2 warring nations with a 3rd stuck in the middle these nations have very little/no knowledge of the imperial but its still a imperial world

also have worlds controlled in the first instance by space marine chapters such as those that come under the control of the ultra marines while they probably have a governmental structure similar to what i talked about above at the top of the tree there will be a space marine he probably dosen't get involved in the day to day running of the planets but there will be the added wait of if the populace rebel the space marines will come stomp on them.

So basically anything go's there will be worlds that are governed under a singe power and others that are divided war on divided planets is probably possible but your looking at something maybe on the scale of a large gang war/ small military engagement nothing big because those individual powers still have to provide there share of the tithe failing to do so probably guaranties the governors wrath as its his head that will roll if the tithe is not made. Also it may be viewed that if the countries can waist resources in a war with each other then there not being tithed anuff.

As to would the Imperials take a side yes they mite if its advantages to them.

Im not sure about interplanetary conflicts but its probably the same if they can aford a all out war then there not paying anuff

Of course if say one side was quick of the mark maybe with some well times assassination and surgical strikes and took power quickly the imperial are unlikely to even bother

Also they travel through the warp.A place were the csm and daemons roam.

It must not be too uncommon. Necropolis was initially a hive war between two city hives. The imperium only intervened due to the war effort to support the Sabbat Crusade (IIRC). In a reality of a million inhabited worlds, everything happens.

The Imperium may leave warring factions alone,
if:
-theyre loyal to the throne
-pay the tithe without delay
-don't mess up or hinder the Imperial warmachinery

a "small" war at technological Low-level worlds could be ignored
or used as training for recruts. Anything bigger or involving traitors/xenos
will trigger the full wrath of the Imperium.

The Gaunt's Ghosts book Necropolis deals with an inter-hive war on a world called Vervyr.

What was suspected of being a trade war of a few hundred thousand soldiers and some armour was largely ignored by the Imperium. Three regiments were dispatched to assist the besieged hive.

Only later, when it turns out that Chaos - and in particular the warlord Heritor Asphodael was behind the war - did the Imperium respond with any real force - sending three Chapters and a Titan Legion to crush the resistance.

The long and short of it is that Imperium has too many big wars to fight to sort out what amouts to playground squabbles...

4M2A wrote:Ok I thought that the government was controlled by the imperium and was just very low down on the command chain, that explains a lot. I guess that they stay out as long as the new boss is ok with following the rules. I thought the arbites were there to put down rebelions, although I would imagine they could be sent in to prevent a new govenrment taking control if they were not loyal to the imperium.

It seems a bit odd to me that the imperium would be ok with it if a planet was taken over by a new country / government as this coukd really slow the planet down for a while. Ont eh other hand there has to be wars on planets just because I don't think the imperium could ever prevent it fully.

It should also be remembered how the Admistratium (spelling?) works, it takes months or years for information to arrive and be processed, it simply can't react quickly enough as a body... To be honest, rebellion probably isn't even noticed until it grows severe enough to affect the system... From what I've read it seems that the Administratium won't even send an adept to investigate unless the tithe is severed, so a sensible rebel would just keep the tithe flowing and not even the Arbites would intervene.

Thus, the Imperium cannot really function as anything more than a confederation, understanding that will make you understand why things are the way they are in the fluff

There aren't really a lot of wars between imperial worlds. Imperial cities or populations that have turned to chaos/traitor will often be attacked or attack the neighboring cities/worlds, but there are few other times.

i gues so

Henners91 wrote:I disagree with Captain Solon.

The Adeptus Arbites represent the Imperium's authority, and they will stay out of planetary disputes... All that is required of an Imperial world is that it worships the Emperor (through any form of Imperial Cult), honours its tithe and shows loyalty to Terra.

Governmental change doesn't fall within the Imperium's mandate.

Thus, although it may be monitored closely (and perhaps put a stop to if a dangerous character emerges, say, a Chaos-influenced dictator), the Imperium allows civil war so long as the tithes remain uninterrupted.

I agree with these sentiments. With all the worlds to moniter, unless there's something like a chaotic taint or xenos incursion showing up, wasting valuable resources stopping relativly small planetary warfare is a bad choice when you've got the likes of... well... everything... to contend against.

Likewise, I'd imagine it would be in a planet's best interests to remain peaceful for the sake of making gathering tithes and fighting off chaotic/xenos foes easier.

Ok, I hope those citizens realise that the worst enemies are outside the planet, but if we won't evolutionate in 38000 years, then... :S

Interplanetary war probably not. Though inter-city/country wars do happen. Such as the vervunhive war. IIRC there had been several similar wars before & in cases like that the Imperium usually stays out of it unless it impacts planetary tithes.

Side note: If there is a known chaos / xenos pressence the Imperium will jump in earlier.

I can see interplanetary world within solar systems, but I would imagine true interstellar war would be rare. Nearly all warp drives are controlled by the imperium and its agents (rogue traders, etc.), and I can't see the navigators stooping to put their lives at risk for such petty little conflicts.

They can as they wish as long as they pay their tithe and give their psykers.

IvanTih wrote:They can as they wish as long as they pay their tithe and give their psykers.

Which is obviously not gonna happen in any kind of big interstellar engagement.

Soladrin wrote:

IvanTih wrote:They can as they wish as long as they pay their tithe and give their psykers.

Which is obviously not gonna happen in any kind of big interstellar engagement.

Which is exactly when the Imperium interjects and shuts that kind of gak down.

Soladrin wrote:

IvanTih wrote:They can as they wish as long as they pay their tithe and give their psykers.

Which is obviously not gonna happen in any kind of big interstellar engagement.

It happens,the governor job is to give tithe,destroy any heretical activity,provide soldiers for the Guard,give psykers and he is good to go.
He can make wars on his planet as long he pays his tithe.
When invaded his job is to hold until reinforcements arrive.This applies for the majority of the Imperium.