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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/03 11:48:58
Subject: malekith
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Lethal Lhamean
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malekith has a magic item, spell shield or some other, that basiclly allows him to inflict a str 6 hit / PD used on a spell cast at him if its sucsessfully dispelled. my question is this: does that item work against spells cast at his dragon? ie beast cowers... second, does it work against area of effect spells, that hit everything within 12" and so on?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/03 20:39:41
Subject: Re:malekith
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Superior Stormvermin
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i think it effects his whole unit.
Also, i would think it would specifically target his unit to trigger his special rules.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/04/03 20:40:18
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/04 03:30:38
Subject: malekith
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If it uses the word "target", then anything targetted at his unit, inclouding the dragon if he is flying on it, would trigger the special rule.
If, instead, it uses "affected", then Area Effect spells break the game, in the same way as they did with Magic Resistance before the errata. I would bet on it being "targetted" however!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/04 11:42:39
Subject: malekith
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Knight Exemplar
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Just came here to ask the same question
His Spell Shield just says, If a spell is cast at malekith - stuff happens.
Because it states 'at malekith', i would argue that if the spell picks a single model and they choose malekith, would work obviously, but if they didn't pick him, it wouldn't work
If the spell is like a magic missile targeting the unit, technically isn't the spell still 'being cast at malekith' AND his friends since they are the unit.
Also, to back this up he gives the unit MR2 anyway (because it would hit him and so on) so if it didn't work like that, it would not make sense
Wanted to see if people agreed it made sense  ?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2010/04/04 11:44:51
Warmachine: Menoth/Cygnar/Mercenaries
40k: Tyranids!
Fantasy: Dark elves
Wood elves! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/04 12:28:05
Subject: malekith
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hmm, if you cast the spell at a unit contaiing Malekith, it can be argued you are casting "at" Malekith *and* the unit Malekith is with, which would trigger the effects.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/04 21:33:56
Subject: malekith
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Lethal Lhamean
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the item in question is "spellshield: (magic armour) shield. magic resesist 2. if a spell xast ar malekith is dispelled by a dispel roll, then the caster suffers a strength 6 hit for every dice used to cast the spell. for bound items, the spell shield inflicts one str 6 hit."
so it states that spells cast "at" him....would seem to imply malekith only. does this then apply to his unit, or his mount? the spell in question that this came up on is beast cowers.
"this spell can be cast on an enemy calvary unit, swarm, chariot, or a single ridden or unridden monster, even if in close combat, if sucsessfully cast, they will not attack in this turns close combat phase, in addition they will stubbornly refuse to move untill the end of thier nect movment phase ... etc"
since the spell is targeted "at"or on his dragon, and not malekith himself, does the magic spellshield protecting malekith also cover his dragon? i cant find any refrence to characters items providing protection for its unit or mount anywhere in the brb, or the specidic army book...(although i did note that characters can only ever have a single type, ie 1 armor 1 talisman etc, and malekith seems to have 2 magic armor items *cough*)
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/04/04 21:34:29
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/04 21:42:29
Subject: malekith
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Been Around the Block
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Well, usually at my local store we play it as anything that would trigger Magic resistance from Malekith would trigger the 2nd part of spell shield since its the same item that provides the magic resistance in the first place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/04 23:48:14
Subject: malekith
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Knight Exemplar
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He would still get it! Hooray!
Pg 59 of BRB for Monstrous mounts
'A monster and its rider or riders count as a single model in the same way as a cavalry model'
The spell may only affect the dragon, But you still have to shoot malekith, as he and the dragon are one!
Pg 7 - Cavalry
'A cavalry model is treated in all respects as a single model'
Should make it pretty clear ^_^
I'd say unless your plonking down a Template or have some really really obscurely written spell.
Spellshield is going to axe face with its magical might! (unless the opponent irresistable forces, Or you just fail at dispelling  )
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2010/04/04 23:54:33
Warmachine: Menoth/Cygnar/Mercenaries
40k: Tyranids!
Fantasy: Dark elves
Wood elves! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/05 00:13:42
Subject: malekith
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Lethal Lhamean
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dang.... i was hoping beast cowers would be a nice easy way to neuter him and keep him off my lines....oh well, guess ill just have to go with the shooting aproach.... now where did i leave all my flamers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/05 07:23:05
Subject: malekith
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Been Around the Block
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In all honesty thats your best bet. The trick with beating malekith on a dragon or the Captain Scarlet Lord configuration on a dragon is to focus on the dragon and then beat the lord with combat resolution
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