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Brand new to 40k and I chose to play space marines. The only thing that baffles me is the chapters, the man codex just refers to them when considering paint styles, but there are chapter specific models you can buy. My question is if I can buy some models from a chapter to use in my army of regular non chapter-specific space marine army. I just bought the starter and the battlefoce to get me started, and thought the new blood angels figures looked pretty neat.

Thanks!

If you wanted to use a Blood Angels model, and have it count as something in the vanilla marines codex, that would be fine. You would not, however, be able to use the rules for them, unless your army was using the Blood Angels codex.

You can't mix rules from different codices, but you can use the models however you see fit.

Dread has it right.

You can mix models as much as you want, but not rules.

ah I see. I wish I had known that before I started buying. Gamesworkshop is not clear at all on space marine chapters since they have "space marine" appearing to be generic. I might have bought all blood angels stuff if I had known.

It's not all lost, most of the units from a Space Marine army can be copied in a Blood Angels army as many of the units are the same, the only difference being special rules.

I JUST bought the space marine book today for 25 bucks though...heh

Oh, well there is nothign stopping you using Blood Angels in a Space Marine Army. Just run it as tatical Blood Angels, it's what I do with my Dark Angels as our rules are gak.

Paint them as blood angels and play them as vanilla marines; later you can get the blood angels codex and play them as blood angels.

Sounds like a plan, basically my units are not wasted then, and it is just the codex that will determine their use?

Pretty much. You could count them as anything if you had a forgiving enough opponent.

When your collection grows, you can use multiple Chapters' rules in an Apocalypse game.

Just sayin'.

The Dreadnote wrote:Paint them as blood angels and play them as vanilla marines; later you can get the blood angels codex and play them as blood angels.

That's not even necessary, he could paint them all Ultramarine Blue and than says he's a successor chapter of the Blood Angel called 'The Royal Blood' (Get it? Blue Blood?) or something.

Tarkand wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Paint them as blood angels and play them as vanilla marines; later you can get the blood angels codex and play them as blood angels.

he could paint them all Ultramarine Blue and than says he's a successor chapter of the Blood Angel called 'The Royal Blood' (Get it? Blue Blood?) or something.

What? Ultras don't have blue blood, it's red like everyone else's, maybe you're thinking of tau.

As long as you don't use specific symbolry (is that even a word?) you can use whatever power armour rules you want. Even Chaos.

Blue Bood, is a slang term for rich or higher up people.

Nightsbane wrote:Sounds like a plan, basically my units are not wasted then, and it is just the codex that will determine their use?

Exactly. I've bought about 5500 points of SM models in the past year and painted them very dark blue. I've played them according to the Codex: Space Marines up till now. I bought the Blood Angels Codex as well and plan to alternate codexes, depending on how I want to play.

For example, I'll buy the Sanguinary Guard (Blood Angels elite jump pack unit) models, and magnetize the jump pack (and throw away the wings..). That way, I can play them as SM Honour Guard (with normal backpack) or BA Sanguinary Guard (with the jump pack).

@tarkand:

cadbren wrote:

Tarkand wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Paint them as blood angels and play them as vanilla marines; later you can get the blood angels codex and play them as blood angels.

he could paint them all Ultramarine Blue and than says he's a successor chapter of the Blood Angel called 'The Royal Blood' (Get it? Blue Blood?) or something.

What? Ultras don't have blue blood, it's red like everyone else's, maybe you're thinking of tau.

*facepalm*

Tarkand wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Paint them as blood angels and play them as vanilla marines; later you can get the blood angels codex and play them as blood angels.

That's not even necessary, he could paint them all Ultramarine Blue and than says he's a successor chapter of the Blood Angel called 'The Royal Blood' (Get it? Blue Blood?) or something.

JAJAJAJJJAJAJAJa funny.... about the post, i don't know that's have been said before (maybe yes), but most space marines miniatures are useful for any chapter, no matter if it has its own codex, anyway, i'm that kind of people that don't hesitate to use miniatures and characters from especific chapters to make a greater variety in my army, if you don't want to maintain some simbols there's always the blade Always thinking that you cannot mix the codex... but nothing is "written" about miniatures...

The only real problem that i can see all about this is... that some people (or a lot in my case) will come to you with the typical question "why are you using that miniatures if you aren't making that chapter" with a "second intention" i hope that all of you understand what i'm trying to say...

Yeah you can use any marine model with generic rules if you want, i'm intending on using space wolf scouts (coz i <3 axes) as well as using some dark angels for veterans (or whatever the 5th ed is calling them now).

OR you could play house rules and say it is a crusading army and mix and match rules from different codices. Wouldn't fly in a tournament or the FLGS, but if you are like me and only care about having fun with friends, you could easily do this.

Generally, if the model is wearing the right armor and weapons, its fine to use them in games.

Heck, I was using CSM meltagunners for the longest time in my space wolf army.

sexiest_hero wrote:Blue Bood, is a slang term for rich or higher up people.

I know what it means, I just felt like being silly. It's from being able to see blue veins on very pale people because they don't expose their skin to the sun like common labourers. Wealthy chinese men used to grow their fingernails long for the same reason.

I actually was wondering about something a few days ago that might be related to this. So long as I don't have chapter specific symbols on cross-codex space marine models, such as rhinos, could I use them between different armies, like say a vanilla marines army, or a blood angels army? Would this be okay in tournaments as well?

Deathpsyker wrote:I actually was wondering about something a few days ago that might be related to this. So long as I don't have chapter specific symbols on cross-codex space marine models, such as rhinos, could I use them between different armies, like say a vanilla marines army, or a blood angels army? Would this be okay in tournaments as well?

Yes, but don't expect to make any friends with Dark Angels or Long Time Space Wolf Players.

Deathpsyker wrote:I actually was wondering about something a few days ago that might be related to this. So long as I don't have chapter specific symbols on cross-codex space marine models, such as rhinos, could I use them between different armies, like say a vanilla marines army, or a blood angels army? Would this be okay in tournaments as well?

Something they used to have on the transfer sheets (probably still do) is army badges to show what army your marines are part of. You could then have your marines from different chapters with their chapter badges, but tie them together for your battles by giving them an army badge as well. From memory they go on one of the lower legs of a marine and anywhere appropriate on a vehicle.

Have painted all Ultramarine, however bought some second hand ones which are nicely painted blood angels. Guess for a squad with jump packs, they could work with the same codex however not sure about a death company squad...

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