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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 07:27:58
Subject: Tycho Question
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Is Death Company Tycho a member of the DC or is he a loner like Mephiston?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 08:07:02
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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The fact that the DC Tycho has fleet where normal DC do not makes me think no...
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-Any terrain containing Sly Marbo is dangerous terrain.
-Sly Marbo once played an objective mission just to see what it was like to not meet every victory condition on his own.
-Sly Marbo bought a third edition rulebook just to play meat grinder as the attacker.
-Marbo doesn't need an Eldar farseer as an ally; his enemies are already doomed
-Sly Marbo was originally armed with a power weapon, but he dropped it while assaulting a space marine command squad just so his enemies could feel pain
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 08:50:27
Subject: Tycho Question
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There's no mention of him being part of the dc and he's not an ic so loner would seem to be the case.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 09:36:44
Subject: Tycho Question
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No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 12:28:10
Subject: Tycho Question
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Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless. 
That hardly seems fair, atleast mephiston has a Monstrous Creature's statline for some inexplicable reason, a not particularly tough one, but it's still pretty silly for your average space marine to have stats like those.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 15:11:17
Subject: Tycho Question
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Drunkspleen wrote:Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless. 
That hardly seems fair, atleast mephiston has a Monstrous Creature's statline for some inexplicable reason, a not particularly tough one, but it's still pretty silly for your average space marine to have stats like those.
Oh no his geneseed has been fully activated....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 18:38:46
Subject: Tycho Question
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Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless. 
Am I missing something? I can understand not using the Death Company version of Tycho as he would just run ahead of the rest of the army and get shot to bits but why do you think Mepheston is useless?
Mick
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 19:12:53
Subject: Tycho Question
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Mick A wrote:Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless. 
Am I missing something? I can understand not using the Death Company version of Tycho as he would just run ahead of the rest of the army and get shot to bits but why do you think Mepheston is useless?
Mick
Because he just sits out there by himself asking to be Lascannon/Railgun/etc. sniped first turn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 19:38:48
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 19:44:00
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick
He doesn't have the IC rule
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 19:54:48
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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Gwar! wrote:Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick
He doesn't have the IC rule
What about Honour Guard, raw says you can take a unit for (meaning for Mephiston as I read it) every HQ unit in you army.
Also the Sanguinor doesn't have the IC rule either...
Mick
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:01:15
Subject: Tycho Question
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Sanguinor can't be attached to a unit of Honor Guard either.
I would think Mephi would be useless, due to him A: Not being an IC and B: Having no invulnerable save.
Sure he's T6 but hit him with some Missiles or Lascannons and hes out of the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:11:23
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Mick A wrote:Gwar! wrote:Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick
He doesn't have the IC rule
What about Honour Guard, raw says you can take a unit for (meaning for Mephiston as I read it) every HQ unit in you army.
Also the Sanguinor doesn't have the IC rule either...
Mick
Yes, well done. You can take a Squad, but that doesn't mean you join it.
Mepheston, DC Tycho and the Sanginior all are NOT IC's, and even if you take an Honour Guard, you cannot join them to it,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:12:48
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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Gwar! wrote:Mick A wrote:Gwar! wrote:Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick
He doesn't have the IC rule
What about Honour Guard, raw says you can take a unit for (meaning for Mephiston as I read it) every HQ unit in you army.
Also the Sanguinor doesn't have the IC rule either...
Mick
Yes, well done. You can take a Squad, but that doesn't mean you join it.
Mepheston, DC Tycho and the Sanginior all are NOT IC's, and even if you take an Honour Guard, you cannot join them to it,
IIRC, neither is Astaroth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:13:35
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Platuan4th wrote:IIRC, neither is Astaroth.
You remember Incorrectly Young Padawan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:21:27
Subject: Tycho Question
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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BrotherStynier wrote:
I would think Mephi would be useless, due to him A: Not being an IC and B: Having no invulnerable save.
Sure he's T6 but hit him with some Missiles or Lascannons and hes out of the game.
But you forget it takes 5 wounds from those Lascannons to kill him. He gets his saves agaisnt the Missiles, and you can position him in a way that he gets cover saves from other units from AP 1-2 weapons.
Expensive? Yes. Useless? Not completely. you just will not see him as the go to HQ choice anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:30:50
Subject: Tycho Question
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Oh, he does get saves against the missiles, I frogot he had a 2 up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:31:41
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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Oberleutnant
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Where are people getting this 'loner' rule from? I can't find it anywhere.
Could it just be a mistake that Mephiston and the Sanguinor don't have the IC rule? All the pictures of the Sanguinor have him surrounded by Sanguinary Guard.
Then again is there any rule saying you can't put a 'loner' in the middle of e friendly unit to get the cover save?
Sorry about all this, not trying to be arguementative, just all seems daft...
Mick
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:36:49
Subject: Tycho Question
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Mephi against any army spamming Lascannons, Plasma, TH/SS termies, melta weapons, power/rending weapons, or any army with psychic defenses.....kinda pointless.
IG? Mephi Splat
Eldar? RoW and Fire Dragon bait
DE? How many lance weapons?
SM (of all types)? Meet TH/SS Termies, lascannons + Hood
Sisters? Melta Doom + Hood
Tau? Dude doesn't make it 2 feet across the table.
Demons? Nids?Power weapons/rending...
That means that Mephi is only decent against Orks, Necrons, and CSM....lol. And even then, if he is outside a LR, those armies have enough non-ap firepower to kill him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:38:39
Subject: Tycho Question
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:41:28
Subject: Tycho Question
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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That or he is taking a crap load of firepower away from your other units. While he cost as much as a Landraider, it takes at least 5 shots to destory him compared to one shot to destroy a Landraider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 20:58:45
Subject: Tycho Question
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BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.
Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.
Mick
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 21:08:56
Subject: Tycho Question
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Mick A wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.
Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.
Mick
They don't have to be kept any distance away. BrotherStynier is mistaken on that point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 21:26:52
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Meph is actually pretty decent when you consider he's a monsterous creature that doesn't need 50% coverage for a cover save and he can ride in a transport by himself.
Considering the cost of some of the Tyranid MCs, he's a bargain for what you get.
"Loner" is a special rule for Marbo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 21:38:14
Subject: Tycho Question
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Gwar! wrote:Mick A wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.
Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.
Mick
They don't have to be kept any distance away. BrotherStynier is mistaken on that point.
Cheers for clearing that bit up, explains why all the pictures of the Sanguinor have Sanguinary Guard all around him.
How would this affect enemy shooting at him? Would they have to shoot the unit he's in the middle of or can they target him but he gets a cover save? Likewise how would Meph shooting work? Would his target get a cover save due to him being in the middle of the unit?
Mick
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 21:43:59
Subject: Tycho Question
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Mick A wrote:Gwar! wrote:Mick A wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.
Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.
Mick
They don't have to be kept any distance away. BrotherStynier is mistaken on that point.
Cheers for clearing that bit up, explains why all the pictures of the Sanguinor have Sanguinary Guard all around him.
How would this affect enemy shooting at him? Would they have to shoot the unit he's in the middle of or can they target him but he gets a cover save? Likewise how would Meph shooting work? Would his target get a cover save due to him being in the middle of the unit?
Mick
Units shooting at him can target him specifically although he'll receive a cover save, in exchange any units he attacks while shooting through the other until will also grant a cover save. I would say the biggest obstacle for Meph is that he's a fast unit in the sense that he can use Wings of Sang and he's fleet so he can technically move up to 18" with a lucky run roll and then assault another 6". With movement like that, it'll be difficult to keep a unit surrounding him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 21:44:32
Subject: Tycho Question
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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I would think Meph's target would get a cover save as his LOS is obscured by the models in-front of him. The model in the middle of the squad would get a cover save from the enemy shooting at him as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/06 21:49:59
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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You don't have to have a unit surrounding him if he makes it into close combat with the enemy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/07 00:41:03
Subject: Re:Tycho Question
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HiveFleetGoliath wrote:You don't have to have a unit surrounding him if he makes it into close combat with the enemy.
I disagree, Meph will wipe out a lot of units by himself and there he is out in the open again.
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