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Is Death Company Tycho a member of the DC or is he a loner like Mephiston?

The fact that the DC Tycho has fleet where normal DC do not makes me think no...

There's no mention of him being part of the dc and he's not an ic so loner would seem to be the case.

No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless.

Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless.

That hardly seems fair, atleast mephiston has a Monstrous Creature's statline for some inexplicable reason, a not particularly tough one, but it's still pretty silly for your average space marine to have stats like those.

Drunkspleen wrote:

Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless.

That hardly seems fair, atleast mephiston has a Monstrous Creature's statline for some inexplicable reason, a not particularly tough one, but it's still pretty silly for your average space marine to have stats like those.

Oh no his geneseed has been fully activated....

Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless.

Am I missing something? I can understand not using the Death Company version of Tycho as he would just run ahead of the rest of the army and get shot to bits but why do you think Mepheston is useless?
Mick

Mick A wrote:

Gwar! wrote:No, he is not a member of the DC, nor is he an IC. He is like Mepheston, useless.

Am I missing something? I can understand not using the Death Company version of Tycho as he would just run ahead of the rest of the army and get shot to bits but why do you think Mepheston is useless?
Mick

Because he just sits out there by himself asking to be Lascannon/Railgun/etc. sniped first turn.

What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick

Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick

He doesn't have the IC rule

Gwar! wrote:

Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick

He doesn't have the IC rule

What about Honour Guard, raw says you can take a unit for (meaning for Mephiston as I read it) every HQ unit in you army.

Also the Sanguinor doesn't have the IC rule either...

Mick

Sanguinor can't be attached to a unit of Honor Guard either.

I would think Mephi would be useless, due to him A: Not being an IC and B: Having no invulnerable save.

Sure he's T6 but hit him with some Missiles or Lascannons and hes out of the game.

Mick A wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick

He doesn't have the IC rule

What about Honour Guard, raw says you can take a unit for (meaning for Mephiston as I read it) every HQ unit in you army.

Also the Sanguinor doesn't have the IC rule either...

Mick

Yes, well done. You can take a Squad, but that doesn't mean you join it.

Mepheston, DC Tycho and the Sanginior all are NOT IC's, and even if you take an Honour Guard, you cannot join them to it,

Gwar! wrote:

Mick A wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Mick A wrote:What's wrong with him joining or being deployed with a unit?
Mick

He doesn't have the IC rule

What about Honour Guard, raw says you can take a unit for (meaning for Mephiston as I read it) every HQ unit in you army.

Also the Sanguinor doesn't have the IC rule either...

Mick

Yes, well done. You can take a Squad, but that doesn't mean you join it.

Mepheston, DC Tycho and the Sanginior all are NOT IC's, and even if you take an Honour Guard, you cannot join them to it,

IIRC, neither is Astaroth.

Platuan4th wrote:IIRC, neither is Astaroth.

You remember Incorrectly Young Padawan

BrotherStynier wrote:
I would think Mephi would be useless, due to him A: Not being an IC and B: Having no invulnerable save.

Sure he's T6 but hit him with some Missiles or Lascannons and hes out of the game.

But you forget it takes 5 wounds from those Lascannons to kill him. He gets his saves agaisnt the Missiles, and you can position him in a way that he gets cover saves from other units from AP 1-2 weapons.

Expensive? Yes. Useless? Not completely. you just will not see him as the go to HQ choice anymore.

Oh, he does get saves against the missiles, I frogot he had a 2 up.

Where are people getting this 'loner' rule from? I can't find it anywhere.
Could it just be a mistake that Mephiston and the Sanguinor don't have the IC rule? All the pictures of the Sanguinor have him surrounded by Sanguinary Guard.
Then again is there any rule saying you can't put a 'loner' in the middle of e friendly unit to get the cover save?
Sorry about all this, not trying to be arguementative, just all seems daft...
Mick

Mephi against any army spamming Lascannons, Plasma, TH/SS termies, melta weapons, power/rending weapons, or any army with psychic defenses.....kinda pointless.

IG? Mephi Splat
Eldar? RoW and Fire Dragon bait
DE? How many lance weapons?
SM (of all types)? Meet TH/SS Termies, lascannons + Hood
Sisters? Melta Doom + Hood
Tau? Dude doesn't make it 2 feet across the table.
Demons? Nids?Power weapons/rending...


That means that Mephi is only decent against Orks, Necrons, and CSM....lol. And even then, if he is outside a LR, those armies have enough non-ap firepower to kill him.

There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.

That or he is taking a crap load of firepower away from your other units. While he cost as much as a Landraider, it takes at least 5 shots to destory him compared to one shot to destroy a Landraider.

BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.

Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.

Mick

Mick A wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.

Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.

Mick

They don't have to be kept any distance away. BrotherStynier is mistaken on that point.

Meph is actually pretty decent when you consider he's a monsterous creature that doesn't need 50% coverage for a cover save and he can ride in a transport by himself.

Considering the cost of some of the Tyranid MCs, he's a bargain for what you get.

"Loner" is a special rule for Marbo.

Gwar! wrote:

Mick A wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.

Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.

Mick

They don't have to be kept any distance away. BrotherStynier is mistaken on that point.

Cheers for clearing that bit up, explains why all the pictures of the Sanguinor have Sanguinary Guard all around him.

How would this affect enemy shooting at him? Would they have to shoot the unit he's in the middle of or can they target him but he gets a cover save? Likewise how would Meph shooting work? Would his target get a cover save due to him being in the middle of the unit?

Mick

Mick A wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Mick A wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:There isn't a 'loner' rule per-say, its just they don't have the IC rule, so they are their own unit and cannot be attached to a unit. How ever you could arrange the squad so they are in unit cohesion, and around the model so there is enough distance between the models to show he isn't in the squad.

Let me get this straight, they can't be 'attatched' to a unit as they don't have the IC rule, fair enough. But why do they have to have another unit arranged around them with enough distance to show they aren't part of that unit? A squad could be placed base to base round a walker, for example.

Mick

They don't have to be kept any distance away. BrotherStynier is mistaken on that point.

Cheers for clearing that bit up, explains why all the pictures of the Sanguinor have Sanguinary Guard all around him.

How would this affect enemy shooting at him? Would they have to shoot the unit he's in the middle of or can they target him but he gets a cover save? Likewise how would Meph shooting work? Would his target get a cover save due to him being in the middle of the unit?

Mick

Units shooting at him can target him specifically although he'll receive a cover save, in exchange any units he attacks while shooting through the other until will also grant a cover save. I would say the biggest obstacle for Meph is that he's a fast unit in the sense that he can use Wings of Sang and he's fleet so he can technically move up to 18" with a lucky run roll and then assault another 6". With movement like that, it'll be difficult to keep a unit surrounding him.

I would think Meph's target would get a cover save as his LOS is obscured by the models in-front of him. The model in the middle of the squad would get a cover save from the enemy shooting at him as well.

You don't have to have a unit surrounding him if he makes it into close combat with the enemy.

HiveFleetGoliath wrote:You don't have to have a unit surrounding him if he makes it into close combat with the enemy.

I disagree, Meph will wipe out a lot of units by himself and there he is out in the open again.