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I don't know how many of you are regular readers of Bell of Lost Souls, but this is a topic that I first read about there, http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/04/40k-conundrum-descent-of-angels-edition.html.

The basic question is whether or not a unit with the Decent of Angels special rule grants it to their transport. What do you all think? and why?

I want this to be a mature discussion, please cite rules and page numbers, etc. Also this is a 2 part question:

A) Does the Transport only scatter 1D6" or the regular 2D6?
and
B) Do you get to reroll failed reserve rolls for them?

Discuss!

No, nothing states that it is given to the transport they are embarked in. Why would this power automatically be granted?

Case in point: Scout USR.

No, no, no, no, no.

Its fairly black and white in the rule book. When deep striking (pg 95?) you must place a (one, singular) model on the table to determine where the unit might scatter to.

Since the only model you have available to place is the vehicle, the vehicle (and not the passengers) is the unit deep striking and if that particular vehicle doesn't have descent of angels (which none of them do yet, just wait for Dark Angels when they up the cheese factor again!) then you will not get to drop a scatter dice or reroll the reserve rolls.

At least I'm fairly certain you won't reroll the reserve rolls, the vehicle is the unit that comes out of reserve... the passengers are just along for the ride, right?

Also, just in case: Vanguard will not be able to assault out of a deep striking Stormraven Gunship. The heroic intervention requires that particular unit to deep strike. They only count as having deep striked when they exit the vehicle, they never actually deep-struck that turn.

Slackermagee wrote:No, no, no, no, no.

Also, just in case: Vanguard will not be able to assault out of a deep striking Stormraven Gunship. The heroic intervention requires that particular unit to deep strike. They only count as having deep striked when they exit the vehicle, they never actually deep-struck that turn.

Bad example, you can never assault after a Gunship DSs

But yes same philosophy on on a Landraider, the Lander doesn't have Decent of Angels and nothing states that the models inside give it the ability.

In Short: No, it doesn't. BoLS is, as usual, not very good on rules.

I always read BoLS with a grain of salt, they have advocated some sketchy things in the past.

Also, it is Descent, as in coming down from above, not decent as in they are decent angels, not bad not good, just old fashioned decent angels...

Slackermagee wrote:

At least I'm fairly certain you won't reroll the reserve rolls, the vehicle is the unit that comes out of reserve... the passengers are just along for the ride, right?

I know with drop pods, the unit inside counts as have come in via deep strike.
I know rules as played when you roll for reserves your calling it the unit, but empty drop pods still come in from reserves even if the unit isn't riding in it.

The only unit this really applies to is assault squads who give up jump packs for pods or raiders.

I really want to say with the way the DOA rule is worded, the transport is going to scatter full distance, but The way it reads I Think the unit might be able to re-roll the reserve roll. Also does it just say failed reserve rolls or any reserve roll?

This is where I would respond by putting my kommandos with Snikrot and Ghazghkull into a battlewagon and ambushing them from the rear table edge.