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Came up in a game I was watching. Space wolf guy had a drop pod, it scattered off the table and nobody knew what to do. I read the droppod rules for him and told him it probably mishaps because there's no special protection for scattering off. One of the redshirts watching got really, really upset and insisted that drop pods never scatter off table.

Me: I've never heard of that rule.
Him: It's been FAQed that drop pods don't scatter off table. Literally everyone in the world plays it that way. Ask anyone in the store.
Me: Can I use the store computer then? Now I'm genuinely curious.

<checks computer, finds nothing on faq to support this>

Me: It's not in the faq or the rulebook.
Him: I guarantee that it's how it's played. Every GW tournament plays it that way.
Me: I guess you can all play it that way, but you're making up your own rules if you do.
Him (Stomping off in an angry huff) - It's just a game, dude. It's just played for fun.
Me: ?

Edit:

It was a little weird how upset the guy got. Maybe he'd been playing it this way and didn't want to admit he was wrong? Haven't played warhammer in a while and it's a little weird how touchy people (even staff) get about the game.

Edit 2: Now that I think about it... GW has tournaments?

dumbuket wrote:Came up in a game I was watching. Space wolf guy had a drop pod, it scattered off the table and nobody knew what to do. I read the droppod rules for him and told him it probably mishaps because there's no special protection for scattering off. One of the redshirts watching got really, really upset and insisted that drop pods never scatter off table.

Me: I've never heard of that rule.
Him: It's been FAQed that drop pods don't scatter off table. Literally everyone in the world plays it that way. Ask anyone in the store.
Me: Can I use the store computer then? Now I'm genuinely curious.

<checks computer, finds nothing on faq to support this>

Me: It's not in the faq or the rulebook.
Him: I guarantee that it's how it's played. Every GW tournament plays it that way.
Me: Well, then you're making up rules. And wait, GW has tournaments?
Him (Stomping off in an angry huff) - It's just a game, dude. It's just played for fun.
Me: ?

It was a little weird how upset the guy got. Maybe he'd been playing it this way and didn't want to admit he was wrong? Haven't played warhammer in a while and it's a little weird how touchy people (even staff) get about the game.

Yes. You are right, he is wrong.

Off the table is not Impassible Terrain or another model, so it mishaps as normal.

If you read the rules for the anti scatter drop pods have, you will find "going off the table" is not one of the clauses that it corrects for. Drop pod goes away, red shirt gets red face.

It's called he didn't want to lose and since his DP and Squad had a chance to die he didn't like it. As GWAR said it's a mishap and I've noticed a lot of this kinda rules shift crap myself. I for one like to play by the rules in every sense as it's where balance is made between armies and the game becomes a battle of strategy, but others just wanna play where you throw some guys on the board and randomly roll dice.

/end rant

There are 2 ways to do it. The first is mishap table since its not impassible its just "the end of the world" as the rulebook calls it. The second is how the local tournaments run (and is announced before the tournament) that if ANYTHING scatters off the table it is destroyed with no mishap roll. This would include drop pods. He says his tournaments are "Australian rules". Anybody out there that can back that up or should I continue resigning it to a known house rule?

BlueDagger wrote:It's called he didn't want to lose and since his DP and Squad had a chance to die he didn't like it. As GWAR said it's a mishap and I've noticed a lot of this kinda rules shift crap myself. I for one like to play by the rules in every sense as it's where balance is made between armies and the game becomes a battle of strategy, but others just wanna play where you throw some guys on the board and randomly roll dice.

/end rant

QFT.
You play to have fun, but for some people, playing by the rules is fun!

rocklord2004 wrote:The second is how the local tournaments run (and is announced before the tournament) that if ANYTHING scatters off the table it is destroyed with no mishap roll.

That's a house rule. No idea where it's come from.

He says his tournaments are "Australian rules".

Who does?

And what does he mean?

i bet he means that when he gets it through the tall posts, its 6 points, through the small ones just 1...

i've never heard of any universal aussy tournie rules.

Solution to Cheaters: Crucify him, hang him on the wall of your GW at night, draw a pentagram using his own blood around him.

Mishaps as normal, and he's dead.

Neither have I, and I chat with several TOs weekly.

Unlike the US, we have nothing like the INAT, for example.
Pretty much each Tourney does as it wishes.

Some that share the same TO (I'm looking at you, NSW) will have a consistent outlook to the rules and conflicts, but mostly it's a dog's breakfast.

Karon wrote:Solution to Cheaters: Crucify him, hang him on the wall of your GW at night, draw a pentagram using his own blood around him.

There is no cheating involved here. The other person involved in the OP's discussion was a redshirt who was watching the game...


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Ahah!


I had a vague recollection of there being a discussion on 'Australian Rules' a while back, but couldn't remember if it was on Dakka or elsewhere.

Found it here. There's a bit of a run-down on the supposed 'Aussie Rules' tournament on page 2.

Still have no idea why it's called that, but there you go.

It's not uncommon for redshirts to get really pissed when corrected on rules (they MUST be the font of all knowledge since they have a GW polo shirt...)

The phrase "Australian rules" is meant to denote that the game is tougher.
Like Australian rules football which is a notoriously rougher game than standard football, or Australian repelling is repelling down a wall face first.

No, that's just running.

Angel-diving is the way REAL men descend cliff faces.

A leap, face first into the abyss, trusting to your gear to stop you before you make a ground pizza.

Daggermaw wrote:...or Australian repelling is repelling down a wall face first.

I was going to question that, as I had never heard it called that before... but turns out that some people do call it that.

My instructor called it a 'carabiner run-down'...

insaniak wrote:My instructor called it a 'carabiner run-down'...

Read that as 'carbonara run-down'. Man I'm hungry!

dumbuket wrote:Came up in a game I was watching. Space wolf guy had a drop pod, it scattered off the table and nobody knew what to do. I read the droppod rules for him and told him it probably mishaps because there's no special protection for scattering off. One of the redshirts watching got really, really upset and insisted that drop pods never scatter off table.

Me: I've never heard of that rule.
Him: It's been FAQed that drop pods don't scatter off table. Literally everyone in the world plays it that way. Ask anyone in the store.
Me: Can I use the store computer then? Now I'm genuinely curious.

<checks computer, finds nothing on faq to support this>

Me: It's not in the faq or the rulebook.
Him: I guarantee that it's how it's played. Every GW tournament plays it that way.
Me: I guess you can all play it that way, but you're making up your own rules if you do.
Him (Stomping off in an angry huff) - It's just a game, dude. It's just played for fun.
Me: ?

Edit:

It was a little weird how upset the guy got. Maybe he'd been playing it this way and didn't want to admit he was wrong? Haven't played warhammer in a while and it's a little weird how touchy people (even staff) get about the game.

Edit 2: Now that I think about it... GW has tournaments?

That guy got mad at you because you asked a question and pointed out that something did not make any sense... I hope there is a special circle of hell for people like him.

Yea, as everyone with a brain knows, if a drop pod scatters off of the table it mishaps. Please, I would like paypal you money to print out what I just said and hand it to him.

Sincerely,
visavismeyou
visavismeyou @ gmail.com

P.S.
Just for the record, the reason why I so despise people like him is because people say "It is in a FaQ" to try to end arguments, I've had people try this on me for so many things. "Its in a faq, i'm right, you're wrong"



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insaniak wrote:

Daggermaw wrote:...or Australian repelling is repelling down a wall face first.

I was going to question that, as I had never heard it called that before... but turns out that some people do call it that.

My instructor called it a 'carabiner run-down'...

In the U.S. Army we call that the Australian method, if that helps any.

My local GW store redshirts do not have a huge problem being corrected. I was playing a tournament this weekend with my mech IG, and my opponent was convinced that a squad in a vehicle had to shoot at the same target as the vehicle. The redshirt chimed in that he thought so also. We diced off and I got to shoot anyway.

During the long assault between my partner (team tourney). I pulled up the main rules faq on the store computer and showed the redshirt the entry. No harm, no foul, he even thanked me for helping him learn the rules better.


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Also, I make an effort to print out and bring my codex faq to games in general. Wish more people would...

Yes, the pod can fall off the edge of the world.

I haven't had a problem with GW redshirts arguing rules with me for years. They've learned better.

Okay just to clear things up (wherether wanter or not) here is the rule as it is worded.

Inertial Guidance System: Should a Drop Pod scatter on top of impassable terrian or another model (freind or foe!) then reduce the scatter didtance by the minimum required in order to avoid the obstacle.

Can you move off the board?!!!! NO! so it is IMPASSABLE TERRIAN and hence cannon be place on by a drop pod!

EagleArk.

EagleArk wrote:Okay just to clear things up (wherether wanter or not) here is the rule as it is worded.

Inertial Guidance System: Should a Drop Pod scatter on top of impassable terrian or another model (freind or foe!) then reduce the scatter didtance by the minimum required in order to avoid the obstacle.

Can you move off the board?!!!! NO! so it is IMPASSABLE TERRIAN and hence cannon be place on by a drop pod!

EagleArk.

I just want to point out this is completely incorrect, for the reasons pointed out previously so please ignore the quoted post.

EagleArk wrote:Okay just to clear things up (wherether wanter or not) here is the rule as it is worded.

Inertial Guidance System: Should a Drop Pod scatter on top of impassable terrian or another model (freind or foe!) then reduce the scatter didtance by the minimum required in order to avoid the obstacle.

Can you move off the board?!!!! NO! so it is IMPASSABLE TERRIAN and hence cannon be place on by a drop pod!

I’m sorry, but that’s not correct. The table edge is not any kind of terrain.

The rules specify that a Deep Striking unit will suffer a Mishap (and roll on said table) if…
1. It scatters into impassible terrain.
2. It scatters within an inch of an enemy model.
3. It scatters off the table.

The rules for drop pods protect them from 1. and 2. (above), but not 3.

I read that one section as a joke, maybe just me. (Bad joke at that.)

If the area outside of the terrain was classified as impassable terrain, no one would be able to bring anything from Reserve as those units would be located into impassable terrain to begin with.

That would make the Dawn of War scenario extremely quick to play

Voldrak wrote:If the area outside of the terrain was classified as impassable terrain, no one would be able to bring anything from Reserve as those units would be located into impassable terrain to begin with.

That would make the Dawn of War scenario extremely quick to play

Except for skimmers and jump troops which could move across it if they don't land in it by the end of the move.

Wouldn't that be a great game to watch, though? Legions of jump infantry and skimmers battling it out off the board while hoping that they don't roll one's on their dangerous terrain tests.

I'm glad I found this. I had a guy tell me that the DP just dies. end of story... and the Sternguard inside too... :(

That's how it worked in 4th. In 4th edition (and 3rd) a deep strike mishap = dead. In 5th, you roll on the table.