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Is anyone else already making changes / additions to their army based on 8th edition rumors? It seems likely that there might be a minimum of 25% core for army composition, which I currently cannot reach. I had planned to remedy this by buying two more units of dryads. However, I was just outbid (I had over a $50 maximum on one of them, too!) so I guess I will do this in the not-so-distant future!

Anyway, that's the only change I'm planning to make at the moment. Obviously, it'd be unwise to do anything drastic, since rumors are bound to be wrong in at least some areas, if not most. But since the 25% core seemed likely I thought I'd go for that one, since it might get even pricier to do it once the rules are out or even nearer to coming out.

So is anyone else thinking / acting along these lines?

Unrelated to the above: I checked out a new FLGS in my area, and there is a white dwarf thirtieth anniversary figure on the shelf- the dwarf being held up on a shield by two others. If there's a dwarf player that's been needing this, feel free to PM me

Nope, I have the 25% core fulfilled in my current list, and am not trusting the other rumors just yet, especially the 15% rare, or 25% Characters.

Thinking of going War Machine-heavy. O&G can get very, very War Machine-heavy in the new rules.

What do I mean?

Vanilla Orc Warboss (Ld 9 for 12" bubble)
4 Level 2 Night Goblin Shamans (Mostly to make use of the "more powerful" magic)
x2 30 Night Goblins w/ Fanatics & Shields & Nets & Command
x2 5 Vanilla Wolf Riders (hopefully to begin march blocks early on)
10 Spear Chukkas
2 Rock Lobbas
5 Doom Diver Catapults

Roughly a 2K point list there. 4 Spellcasters (should be enough) and 17 War Machines (if I dropped the Rock Lobbas, I could add 4 more Bolt Throwers). O&G gunlines have become very real if the percentile rule has been implemented.

As for actual list modifications? I haven't decided yet, as too many of the rules contradict one another or ruin one solution's plan with another.

Not really. I know I'm strange, but I've been building good old Horde Skaven since the Eshin list was invalidated. I should have 200+ Rats(100 Clan and 100 Slaves, plus plenty of Night Runners and Storm Vermin) done by the release.

Not that I don't like the crazy contraptions and A-Bomb, but I'm an Eshin man at heart. Plus, I like swamping my opponents with bodies.

Not doing a thing cuz they're rumors not fact and I'm a human not a lemming.

My core for my WoC force is a shade over 50% anyway (loads of Marauders, Marauder Horsemen, Hounds, and...shock of shocks- CHAOS WARRIORS! )

Hope it works out okay for ya' RiTides. I'll plant some spare dryads in my backyard tomorrow if it'll help...

Lol, yes, if only they really grew on trees... especially the well painted ones!

Minsc, I'm not sure how you're getting that list- I think the selection limits will still be valid, with additional % requirements.

I'd definitely wait on the more drastic changes... and you're right Xyz, I don't want to change to the "new hotness" either. But I do want to have my minimum core ready so that I can legally field an army! And since I'd bet most the farm on that change coming about...

Im not going to change my purchases or army lists at all, i have a fealing a lot of the 8th edition rumors are just that.

Fortunantly for me if it changes that drastically i can afford to buy a few more minis and change my armies.

However if a lot of it is overhyped BS (which i think it is) then ill be fine.

looking at my lists I spend around 15% on characters and the bulk on core.

Bring on 8th ed, my goblin hordes will be invincible

I personally suspect that a LOT of what's been posted is bunk. Most rumors turn out to be bunk. I'm not doing a thing until I have the book in my own two hands.

Since I really have no idea what the exact changes are going to be, I am trying not to worry about it. I am not going to change anything until 8th comes out. My DE army is the only one that I might have to change. For now I am digging out my old Necromunda gangs.

I'm probably just going to leave it until I get the new rulebook. My Dark Elves need a list rewrite anyway, so I'm putting that off until the new edition, and if the percentage rumours are true my Wood Elves fit them perfectly anyway =)

Not really an issue for me and the wife at the moment as we are playing Mordheim.

However the odds of us playing Warhammer again before the release is a lot slimmer now as we'd rather wait to see what is changed and modify our armies when it happens. (I play Druchii, she has WoC.)

The only thing I'm doing is holding off on any new purchases for the time being.

Well, I'm about to try to round up 18 oop dryads... I've already got 40 of the plastics and I'd like some variety! I want to have enough troops to have 25% at 3000 points (the maximum I'd ever play), and 63 dryads fits that exactly. I'll have 58, and probably just upgrade some to branchnymphs if I ever play that high of a point value game...

My warriors of tzeentch should actually come out on top with most all of the rumors, though who knows if magic will be viable in any way under 8th. But then I run an atypical list with actual warriors and 0 knights ...

My real concern with 8th has nothing to do with army % or weapon changes (gw ASL is apocalyptic, 5th ed all over again), but what may be happening to the game itself. Particularly, to the movement phase. Several signs are pointing fantasy towards two things I really dislike about 40k: charging being resolved in Init. order, and having to roll for charge movement (through difficult terrain in 40k, all the time in 8th).

Seriously, thinking about fantasy becoming even more like 40k - miscasts on 1,1 and 6,6 ala psychic tests, anyone? - has got me feeling pretty bummed. I'm really hoping that the movement phase isn't as bludgeoned as I'm hearing (limited or no marching, for example), because if tactics (i.e. moving & charging being possible and worthwhile) completely fall out of fantasy it's going to come down to shooting + ultra-fast objective grabbing, without the rest of 5th edition 40k to back it up. Which would give us something like "Dark Elves, Hurr!" to match the grimdark space marine circle jerk*

So I guess back OT: my WoC will be investing in two dozen meltaguns and half a dozen valkyries? I hope to hell not

- Salvage

*I'll admit I see relatively fewer marine armies any more, with most powerbuilds around my parts being IG / Nids / Orks, though the hardiest bandwagons are of course Puppies & Bloody Angels of Blood. But you know what I mean

My real concern with 8th has nothing to do with army % or weapon changes (gw ASL is apocalyptic, 5th ed all over again), but what may be happening to the game itself. Particularly, to the movement phase. Several signs are pointing fantasy towards two things I really dislike about 40k: charging being resolved in Init. order, and having to roll for charge movement (through difficult terrain in 40k, all the time in 8th).

Seriously, thinking about fantasy becoming even more like 40k - miscasts on 1,1 and 6,6 ala psychic tests, anyone? - has got me feeling pretty bummed. I'm really hoping that the movement phase isn't as bludgeoned as I'm hearing (limited or no marching, for example), because if tactics (i.e. moving & charging being possible and worthwhile) completely fall out of fantasy it's going to come down to shooting + ultra-fast objective grabbing, without the rest of 5th edition 40k to back it up. Which would give us something like "Dark Elves, Hurr!" to match the grimdark space marine circle jerk*

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Yeah, I agree, the reason I switched from 40k was because I hated it mechanics, so your telling me that a Lictor moves at the same move rate as a carnifex? My ass. 40k is streamlined, I don't want fantasy to be streamlined.

I don't want variable charge distance, it ruins the competitive aspect of WHFB to a certain extent. It doesn't matter if I'm within 7" of that unit with my beastmen, if I roll a 1, I probably just lost the game. That kind of uncertainty doesn't work.

I'm ranting, but I would like to just say: These are just rumors, don't make any big changes until you see the changes in front of you.

Probably the only "40k" idea I wouldn't mind in FB would be regarding units with the same initiative.

In combat (not counting charging, ASF, GW, etc) if the opposing units had the same initiative, I wouldn't mind the two sides hitting simultaneously.

Other than that, they're two separate games. Don't try to unify their rules. 40k is good is good in its own right, but I like the more involved rules that Fantasy brings.

ZF-

The variable charge distances and changes to magic are what worry me the most.

I have lost more then one game that i can attribute almost entirely to miscasts. (Esecially the one where my lvl 4 general rolled snake eyes). If anything i think the penalties for miscasting are a little to harsh. A little miscast protection on 400+ point sorcs would be really nice, or protection based on magic level similar to the WoC puppet. Level 3 sorcs can add or subtract one to their miscast roll. Level 4 sorcs can add or subtract up to 2. This will keep your 400-500 point lvl 4 sorc from gibbing themselves on a miscast, or ending your magic phase (which is extremely crippling in a magic heavy army).

The variable charge distances is just stupid. Game are relying more and more on chance with the dicerolls. It is completely crippling to fail a charge, this will make it happen much more often.

I can see it now.

I only need a 2 and ill hit that unit. ROLL AGKFJAGFASD

Or lol noob charge if you dont roll a 6 it fails. ROLL LUCKY POS!

Also some units rely on the charge, especially ones with great weapons. What will be the point of playing a low I army if your always going to hit last, or taking great weapons for that matter...

I'm in the "wait & see"-mode. As I have good selection of models for both of my armies (WoC and VC, altough the latter is in various states of unreadiness), I'm not overly worried in having to bench my units so to speak and in same vein I'm not rushing off to build off some crazy list permutations based on the percentage-rumours.

RiTides wrote:Well, I'm about to try to round up 18 oop dryads... I've already got 40 of the plastics and I'd like some variety! I want to have enough troops to have 25% at 3000 points (the maximum I'd ever play), and 63 dryads fits that exactly. I'll have 58, and probably just upgrade some to branchnymphs if I ever play that high of a point value game...

RiTides I went and planted those Dryads last week before the spring rains came but all that keeps popping out of the ground are bushes bearing cans of beer. Not sure what I did wrong. Sorry.

Xyz'r'Xaz'r'Xuz wrote:

RiTides wrote:Well, I'm about to try to round up 18 oop dryads... I've already got 40 of the plastics and I'd like some variety! I want to have enough troops to have 25% at 3000 points (the maximum I'd ever play), and 63 dryads fits that exactly. I'll have 58, and probably just upgrade some to branchnymphs if I ever play that high of a point value game...

RiTides I went and planted those Dryads last week before the spring rains came but all that keeps popping out of the ground are bushes bearing cans of beer. Not sure what I did wrong. Sorry.

It's common knowledge that dryads need to be watered daily with beer in order to produce a good, strong sprout. The plants blooming with beer is their way of telling you that they need to be watered with it I like to water mine with a good strong g&t personally, makes them more capricious but faster =)

Bushes-bearing-beer doesn't sound all that bad There's more to life than warhammer, after all...

I'm currently looking for someone to commission for the pieces I want to add. I've decided regardless of the new rules, I'm going to want to switch over to an "all tree" army. To do that I'm going to need more dryads and treekin.

So I'll probably be springing for:
24 Dryads
8 Treekin
1 Treeman

To add to what I have already. Now I just need a painter willing to get it done to a good level before mid-July, when the new rules hit the fans (a pun, hur hur )!!

Am not really in a position to do anything about the WHFB armies for a while.

My daughter's Wood Elves are a bit top heavy because we like the models and I want to scratch an Ariel for her so that will make things worse

Ritides - why don't you just drink loads of that ale?
After a certain point (pint?) the number of dryads on the table will start to double!

Lol... not a bad idea, Chibi! That's basically what I need to happen

I was always a big fan of large core units. My current Empire 2250 army is 65% core units. It looks like a Napoleonic army on the table with Infantry, Cavalry and Cannons.

I have been pondering over the changes, especially how they are going to affect Lizardmen. Personally, I don't really like the percent comp idea. It is going to really hurt the stronger Slann builds.

RiTides, I'd help, but I've got something like 200+ Skaven to paint by July...

Manfred von Drakken wrote:I personally suspect that a LOT of what's been posted is bunk. Most rumors turn out to be bunk. I'm not doing a thing until I have the book in my own two hands.

Well said!

I'm not changing a damn thing with any of my armies, if the new rules force me to change anything, then I won't be amused....