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Most notably Leman Russes, which are basically the most popular tank in the galaxy, owned by the most numerous army in the galaxy.

I've always felt like the Chaos Space Marines should have more weapons and vehicles, considering they can rob and plunder whatever spoils of war they want from the Imperial guard, and possibly other races,like the tau or Eldar. Some more notable things they could use would be Drop Pods, Storm Bolters, thunder hammers (which I'll say,are really too lame for chaos), scouts, land speeders and hunter killer missiles. Would it really be that broken to have some of these things when we only have 2 real HQ options? I know we have really good things like Obliterators and Defilers, but sometimes that just doesn't cut it. We need more options,not pitiful variations of the same thing (cough,cough noise marines).

This probably sounds biased (from a chaos point of view, anyway), but how bad could it be to give chaos some good stuff? Hopefully in the next codex they get some better stuff,seeing as how lots of armies got a tremendous boost in recent codices. Blood angels being a good example.

I seriously doubt it'll happen. Marines with Leman Russes would be too good. If GW gives them anything it'll probably be something loyalists marines have, like a land speeder or something.

It would be nice if the defiler got an armor boost to match the soul grinder, but I'm not holding my breath. Actually, I don't know why chaos marines don't have drop pods. They use them all the time in the novels. It's not like they don't have them. Don't see them getting scouts ever. I imagine new chaos marines are more like blood claws. They get power armor and a gun, and try not to die.

They use Dreadclaws in the novels.

Dreadclaws != Drop Pods.

Dreadclaws are boarding pods, not drop pods.

Also:
"New" Chaos Marines tend to either be one of two categories it seems:
1) Cultists given daemonic gifts that end up giving them the necessary reflexes and adaptations to use genuine Astartes armor.
2) Recently turned loyalist Marines or cultists implanted with geneseed stolen from Loyalist Chapters.

*sigh* the defiler's armor is a problem....The model itself feels just as strong as a dreadnought

Come to think of it..Leman russes have battlecannons, which would be rather broken. I also don't think they could fit marines in russes, seeing as how they're about 3 feet taller than guardsmen.

But yeah, there's really no reason we shouldn't have drop pods. Forge wold makes a model,but it's grossly expensive, and has experimental rules. The model looks great. Now make it Gw before I lose patience!!!1!!!

They used drop pods in Lord of Night. If it's good enough for the Night Lords, it's good enough for the other legions.

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Regarding the Leman... there's a reason no space marine chapters use it, good tank or otherwise. It's too cramped for them. Why else would the Imperium use Vindis if a space marine could fit in a demolisher either? Their shoulders are too big.


It's all good and well to cram in a rhino and sit on each others laps (or whatever it is they do) with maybe a couple of guys shooting out of it... but 5 dudes, all with a very intensive job (driver/turret gunner/ sponson gunners x2/ loader) all trying to move around in there is just not gonna happen. Same kinda reason fat people don't often work in fast food kitchens they do the drive thru and stay out of the way... just not enough room for ya bud, even if you are the best cook in the world, everyone else has a job to do and your giant shoulders are kind of in the way and we gotta get these burgers out fast.

That's why SM and IG have different vehicles. Some are designed for giant space marines to operate, and a guardsman would probably end up having to sit on a stack of phone books to see over the dashboard of a LandRaider, and some are designed for normal sized people to operate. The Leman Russ has a 5 man crew. The Whirlwind and Vindi have 2. Just a matter of size. Or maybe GW is just opposed to obesity and people too large for their seats... (doubtful looking at some of its fan base but anyways...)

Chaos cannot have anything good. It's kind of like they took the old codex, took out everything everyone liked, then shat on it.

Well now that space wolves have super librarians and BA have flying dreadnoughts, maybe chaos can have drop pods. If we ask GW nicely

Yeah yeah and maybe Eldar will get an open top trans one day too, or an assault ramp. Every army has its shortcomings, and the new ones always seem better than the old ones in many cases. I believe there's another thread going on about this fact. I don't get drop pods either, man, and I just lost my Falcon coolness to rules revisions, oh well, right?

Given the long running wars of attrition that occur across the Imperium, looting would be common to all armies. Long term supply and organisational limitations would result in the gear being junked (they're much bigger issues than being able to fit inside), but for a single engagement or short campaign looted vehicles would be extremely common. You could reasonably argue that everyone should have access to most vehicles available to other sides, outside of ultra-high level tech.

If a mate had an interesting idea for a CSM army that's over-run some IG supply depots then I'd love to see that on the field, assuming the guy was genuinely interested in representing the backstory and not just covering for his army's shortcomings.

But it'd be a terrible idea for general play. Every army could cover it's deficiencies with a couple of pieces of looted gear, producing a dull tactical game.

Of course, games between mates shouldn't worry about any of that.

SW's don't have librarians do they?

thought Vikings had an oral tradition (before the sagas got writted down in the middle-ages )

Love that Chaos drop pod, hcordes

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:SW's don't have librarians do they?

thought Vikings had an oral tradition (before the sagas got writted down in the middle-ages )

Love that Chaos drop pod, hcordes

They just call them Rune Priests iirc.

They have Rune Priests (which, basically are librarians though been changed to fit in with the chapter. should check the fluff again). And they have great psychic abilities gamewise (like JOTWW)

Also, yeah space marines, chaos or not, would not fit into imperial guardsmen vehicles.

Just give them cultists, im sure they could drive a leman russ.
Cultists could preform the same role as a scout, i guess...

Except they are drooling gibbering maniacs and not likely to work as a highly organized and functioning tank crew so much as a mob of ignorant lunatics.

Give a gang of detroit thugs a M1A1 and see if they can even figure out how to start the thing, let alone use its targetting systems and communications, as a modern day analogy.

They'd probably just spraypaint "KHORNE!" on the side of it, along with various names of rappers, their pet dog, maybe their GF. I just don't think cultists are that smart. Easily controlled, yes. Easily taught, probably not. The two are kind of mutually exclusive.

There could be a special rule like the looted tanks for orks in there last codex. I don't know if they still have because I dont play orks.
Like rolling how far it moves due to there bad driving, etc.

Because... GW doesn't care.
They even have fluff about Huron taking over a SW Strike Cruiser or something...just to tease us.

Chaos Marines can fit inside of Imperial Chimera's... at least according to the novel Dark Apostle. Sure the Chaos Marine had to rip the top hatch off just to get inside... and then rip the entire drivers seat area out and was still cramped as he drove it. But it can be done. Probably a bad idea though to give Chaos Marines Imperial Guard tanks.

for thinks like these are cool the fluffy companies seen in Gaunt's Ghosts saga, i'm talking about the blood pact, thye have mainly IG weaponry and equipment, but thye also have nasty stuff more proper to chaos....


anyway, can be really funny to see a CSM trying to pick a Leman.... for some reason the only IG vehicle they used was the basilisk in the previous and IMO lot better codex...

i would say its 90% sure CSMs will get DPs in their next codex.

CSMs with russes would be broken. unless they were at BS2 or somthing.

wait for a traitor guard codex for chaos russ spam.

IIRC in the "Eye of terror" campaign rulebook came (the firs time were CREED came among us) was a list for the "lost and the damned" that packed mutants, traitors, few IG vehicles (russ included) chaos vehicles, great demons, chaos spawns.... well a lot of strange stuff, it would be so funny if they GW recover that idea and develop it a bit more....

That's a good question.
We should better ask the army designers.

By the way, the 3.5 codex was marvelous with its large armory.

A huge army that generally boiled down to only a handful of 'competitive jerk' upgrades that most people took.

Make no mistake, I loved the old armory, but I can't ignore one of the reasons why it's gone now.
People will find the most effective items and will then just take those, leaving a majority of the stuff unused...and therefore not much use.

Black Corsair wrote:IIRC in the "Eye of terror" campaign rulebook came (the firs time were CREED came among us) was a list for the "lost and the damned" that packed mutants, traitors, few IG vehicles (russ included) chaos vehicles, great demons, chaos spawns.... well a lot of strange stuff, it would be so funny if they GW recover that idea and develop it a bit more....

Why should GW do it?

Forge World did a perfectly fine job in all 3 of the Siege of Vraks books doing a PDF/Guard force that's in full Chaos devotion mode list.

Yea, but FW isn't always treated as 'normal' 40K.
In some cases, it's just an advantedge for the people with more money to burn (<---but this is not a huge or wide spread issue, more localized than anything else).

It doesn't really matter.

There's no room in most stores to really stock a whole entire new range of models. Hell, they had to pull the Dark Angels/Black Templar conversion kits within a few months of the release--not to mention the Battleforces for both.

Where did I see something about Sm using leman russes...? I think it was the miniature rulebook from the AoBR set. It had "leman Russ Demolisher" under the vehicles section.

I know this is false, but I could've sworn at least a crew (of like 2 marines) of marines could fit inside one.

Seriously though....why don't CSM have storm bolters? Our termies are suffering with that twin-linked bolter crap. I'm getting so sick of 1 weak ars hit with a small,mobile tank.

TL Bolters are older tech (aka slap two bolters together).
Stormbolters are newer tech IIRC.

Though, each has its merits.
SBs are better at range while TL Bolters shine within 12".

the old SW codex had Lemun Russ's in it. Fitting for they are the sons of russ.

Marines are perfectly capable of operating a LRBT, but modifications would probably be made for comfort.