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I doubt there will be any ally rules in the new DH codex. Like was said beforehand GW is trying to phase out needing multiple books. Right now for my Inquisition force I need about 4 books.

1. Deamonhunters
2. Sisters of Battle
3. Imperial Guard
4. Miniature Rulebook

Also the Grey knights by themselves are applicable. Saying that they are small groups that run around trying to fight deamons is false. They make their way as a strike force towards deamon incursions and similar chaos outbreaks. They work with other forces of the Imperium a lot but not as much as you would think. Take the Grey Knights Omnibus. In the beginning we see them fighting by themselves. Then we see them fighting under the direction of an inquisitor. We also see them fighting with the Sisters of Battle and the Imperial Guard. There are also references to large detachments of Grey Knights fighting in the Eye of Terror. Actually the majority of Grey Knights are there stemming the flow of Chaos into the galaxy.

My guess is the inducted units that you can take form Imperial Guard will be included as regular units in the codex - possibly a little bit different from their form in Imperial Guard Codex but not much different. At least I know I'll still be able to use my inquisitional force in Apoc battles.

Byte wrote:I'm sure there will be allies of some sort. Its pretty much in the fluff of the two armies (DH/WH).

It's in the fluff for Imperial Guard to be backing up space marines too. Where do you see that? Only in APOC.

There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away. Thus, allies rules changing in 3-4 months would be correct. Codex: DH and Codex: WH are said to be on their way out and not being redone. Mostly because rumors are pointing to Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle.

After Both of those are done there are rumors that are saying Codex Inquisition or an Inquisition supplement with rules for inquisitor allies or using inquisitors but I'm not so certain something like that will happen. That far off we get into some serious speculation rather than actual rumors. More certain than Codex Inquisition is Chaos Legions and new armies since there has been more concrete evidence from designer of something along those lines being discussed in the far future after all current armies are redone.

AS WE SEE IT NOW:
Codex: Grey Knights
- Allies rules changed/removed
- Stormraven included/possible model release
- More Grey Knights/less to no inquisition
- More Special Characters
- Plastic GKTs
- Plastic PAGKs

Those are the strongest rumors I've seen/heard/researched.

carldooley wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

Except GK/DH aren't really seen as a Space Marine codex even though they are space marines. This also comes into play with Dark Eldar since both are fighting for the same release spot and no one really knows which is coming first. It was said that Dark Eldar were pushed back and switched spots with Grey Knights for some reason. If this is true then it was originally SM - Xenos - SM(GK) but now it ends up being SM - SM(GK) - Xenos with possibility of another following xenos after in early 2011 (see necron rumors).

We are getting into the area where a lot of major armies have already been redone. We can't really rely on the SM-Xenos-SM theory. There's still a lot of Xenos armies and a lot of lesser armies as well.

Codices still in the pipeline:
Imperium:
Grey Knights (rumors)
Sisters of Battle (small rumors)
Black Templars (small passing rumor - no concrete rumors I've seen)
Dark Angels
Inquisition????

Xenos:
Tau
Necrons [Rumors]
Dark Eldar [Rumors]
Eldar
Orks [4th/5th edition codex hybrid done]

Chaos:
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Deamons
Chaos Legions????

From this list it becomes tough to do SM-Xenos-SM-Xenos. I tried to include all the different books rumored to come out and marked the ones with steady rumors currently coming out right now.

Really it's a toss up for the next release between Dark Eldar and Grey Knights. Both have been said to be at abotu the same process in production. Both have rumors coming out. Grey Knights have lost their codex on the GW website and the PAGKs box set of 5 is also gone. Some sisters are also gone.

Time's counting down and we should see an incoming article soon about which is next.

Kanluwen wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:...and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

Well, to be honest...
There doesn't need to be huge hosts of Grey Knights roaming the galaxy smiting evil.

The Grey Knights are more like the friggin' Sword of the Emperor showing up precisely when and where they're needed to turn the tide against the mean things from the Warp and reestablish the Imperium's dominance over the Unknown.

Exactly. Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around. Grey Knights are definitely one of the most enjoyable pieces of fluff. Although shrouded in darkness and few knowing who they are the chapter fights to defend against the worst of the worst. The entire time they know that they will never be celebrated like many other chapters such as the Ultramarines are.

radiohazard wrote:I'm calling salty shenanigans on the DE/GK debate.

AFAIK both ranges are complete, but as it seems, GW are heavily leaning towards DE first.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. How is GW leaning towards DE first when they are pulling Grey Knights and Sisters stuff from the web store? I would think this indicates that Grey Knights are being pushed out first.