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Just curious if anyone knows if this is true or not whether GW will change the rulings on how DH will be used as allies? If so, when and what will be changed?

Nobody knows for sure, as nobody has seen the codex. General consensus will be that allies rules will be phased out completely, as GW is trying to change the game so that you'll never need more than one codex for an army.

though woudnt that ruin the point of grey knights/daemon hunters. They travel in small groups across the galaxy so they can get to an daemon outbreak as fast as they can and because of this they are allowed to call any imperial force to battle :/ so getting rid of allies would ruin this

Chaos armies summon their patron power's daemons, too, but you don't see GW letting you do that

*grumble grumble*

Change? We'll be lucky if the rules are even in the book, regardless of form.

I think what it will mean is if you want to do a pure Grey Knights force it will be a lot easier to do. The same with a "normal" inquisition force.

Instead of counting troops as allies they'll be inducted into your army as normal soldiers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Change? We'll be lucky if the rules are even in the book, regardless of form.

Sadly, this is probably going to be the case.

I expect a serious loss of options for Inquisitor retinues too.

Sad times are a'comin'!

I doubt there will be any ally rules in the new DH codex. Like was said beforehand GW is trying to phase out needing multiple books. Right now for my Inquisition force I need about 4 books.

1. Deamonhunters
2. Sisters of Battle
3. Imperial Guard
4. Miniature Rulebook

Also the Grey knights by themselves are applicable. Saying that they are small groups that run around trying to fight deamons is false. They make their way as a strike force towards deamon incursions and similar chaos outbreaks. They work with other forces of the Imperium a lot but not as much as you would think. Take the Grey Knights Omnibus. In the beginning we see them fighting by themselves. Then we see them fighting under the direction of an inquisitor. We also see them fighting with the Sisters of Battle and the Imperial Guard. There are also references to large detachments of Grey Knights fighting in the Eye of Terror. Actually the majority of Grey Knights are there stemming the flow of Chaos into the galaxy.

My guess is the inducted units that you can take form Imperial Guard will be included as regular units in the codex - possibly a little bit different from their form in Imperial Guard Codex but not much different. At least I know I'll still be able to use my inquisitional force in Apoc battles.

rogueeyes wrote:Right now for my Inquisition force I need about 4 books.

1. Deamonhunters
2. Sisters of Battle
3. Imperial Guard
4. Miniature Rulebook

I wouldn't worry too much. Soon there won't be such as thing as an 'Inquisitorial force'. They will just be Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Sisters of Battle and maybe some generic Inquisitor Elite choice and some fancy new Inquisitorial Special Characters to play with.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:Right now for my Inquisition force I need about 4 books.

1. Deamonhunters
2. Sisters of Battle
3. Imperial Guard
4. Miniature Rulebook

I wouldn't worry too much. Soon there won't be such as thing as an 'Inquisitorial force'. They will just be Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Sisters of Battle and maybe some generic Inquisitor Elite choice and some fancy new Inquisitorial Special Characters to play with.

I know what you're getting at, but I have to say, that's exactly WHY I'm worried!

Right. That's why HBMC is bothered too.

Personally, I think it may work out okay.

Hopefully allies are completely done away with - too many variable and unbalanced army lists when you have to consider pooling units from two+ different codexes.

I play IG too so the loss of mystics will be a pretty big blow in some games.

I would expect Inquisitors in the new Grey Knights/Daemonhunters to go the way of Daemons in the Chaos Marine Codex. They'll still be there but in a greatly reduced role with less colorful options.

it would be neat if you could bring space marines as troops choices. just tac squads. or bring imperial guard squads for troops. I am looking forward to what they are going to be working on.

So I've been hearing that Grey Knights are going to be either the next book or after the next book. Obviously this will invalidate Codex: Deamon Hunters. However I've heard a rumor that they are going to scrap both of the Inquisition books when Grey Knights is released in order to put the kibosh on allies and the other goofy stuff that those lists contain all at once instead of just leaving half of the rules floating around. Since Sisters of Battle is a way off GW is planning on a White Dwarf place holder list to get people by like with the Blood Angels pdf list they had for while. Does anyone know if there is any accuracy to these rumors?

My money is on them including generic units in the actual Grey Knight codex like they currently have with the Inquisitorial Storm Troopers.

I'm thinking instead of having you look in another codex there is an entry for inducted guardsmen and for a space marine contingent.

I also really doubt that there will be any ally rules in there - I think the days of taking Inquisitorial forces with other codeci are numbered.

I think Allies are on the way out, becouse of APOC

I'm sure there will be allies of some sort. Its pretty much in the fluff of the two armies (DH/WH).

Byte wrote:I'm sure there will be allies of some sort. Its pretty much in the fluff of the two armies (DH/WH).

There's all sorts of alliances in the fluff between armies (albeit some (very) temporary), but they aren't represented in the rules either. From a balancing side, it's better if allies are just meant for friendly and apocalypse games.

If allies exist in future DH/WH books, I would be shocked if they weren't watered down, very limited versions, such as the "Summoned Lesser Daemons" option in Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

That being said, I would not be shocked if GW issued some kind of "Dogs of War" standalone codex to provide mercenary options for many armies.

Byte wrote:I'm sure there will be allies of some sort. Its pretty much in the fluff of the two armies (DH/WH).

It's in the fluff for Imperial Guard to be backing up space marines too. Where do you see that? Only in APOC.

Byte wrote:I'm sure there will be allies of some sort. Its pretty much in the fluff of the two armies (DH/WH).

This could definitely be represented by a single 'Allied Space Marine tactical Squad' choice and an 'Inducted Guard Platoon' chocie. Maybe give the latter the option for a Leman Russ if you want it to be interesting.

Honestly...I'm not sure how I feel about GW itself doing the Inquisition.

I'm starting to think they'd be far better to be a Forge World specialist list.

I can just about see it. If you want to include Inducted Guard, you use the Special Character Inquisitor Lord Kyle; if you want to use Inducted Space Marines, you use the Special Character Inquisitor Lord Matthew. I would especially enjoy seeing options for Colonel Schaeffer in the Codex: Inquisiton. One more thing that I am looking forward to is Inqusitors as minor HQs ala Heralds in the Daemon Codex.

overall though, I dread losing the ability to take GKs in my SM force or GKTs in my guard - especially as I just maxed out the options for both options - magnetising the Terminators, getting max numbers of the special weapons, etc.

I hope they get rid of allies and all demon hunter players should be too

That means they can balance the book against ITSELF not against every other imperium army who can use allies.. That means an ACTUAL playable army for once

I heard that the ally rules might change in about 3-4 months. Can anyone confirm that?

Brother SRM wrote:Nobody knows for sure, as nobody has seen the codex. General consensus will be that allies rules will be phased out completely, as GW is trying to change the game so that you'll never need more than one codex for an army.

To make up for the loss of ally rules, GW will make the GK as powerful as the fluff says they are and a full army @ 2500 points will consist of no more than 11 Gks plus vehicle support. To keep army costs where they should be, each GK will be $50 except the Hero GK, he will be a mere $75.

rogueeyes wrote:

Byte wrote:I'm sure there will be allies of some sort. Its pretty much in the fluff of the two armies (DH/WH).

It's in the fluff for Imperial Guard to be backing up space marines too. Where do you see that? Only in APOC.

I can't be the only one that knows the "Inquisitor" comes into "town" and inducts all the imperial forces he needs or that can be spared?

This is what I was pointing out, I wasn't making it up, GW did... Been deeply rooted in the fluff since 2nd edition.

Um, you're also failing to "know" that Inquisitors also tend to maintain standing militias made up of former Guardsmen/PDF and trained up to a higher standard.

Not to mention the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers at their disposal.

Kanluwen wrote:Um, you're also failing to "know" that Inquisitors also tend to maintain standing militias made up of former Guardsmen/PDF and trained up to a higher standard.

Not to mention the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers at their disposal.

My point still stands. Yours seems irrelevant, so your implying he/they shouldn't have to induct? Seems silly. He orders the destruction of civilizations! A few elite storm troopers/grey knights traveling from across the galaxy hardly seems efficient. Tapping into the local imperial hammer or SM chapter makes since to me and I'm guessing a few more folks that actually write this stuff. Just saying...