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Psst.

They have entire fortresses manned with nothing but veteran Stormtrooper regiments.

Why risk having to induct from a potentially tainted/taintable local populace when you can bring your own heavily trained and proven troops?

And as for Space Marines...

This point came up over on the Deathwatch RPG forum:
Space Marines don't have to play nice with the Inquisition. They choose to do it. And they can also choose to tell them to get lost.

Again, its hard for us mere mortals to justify what they would do, can do, and will do (future codex). As of right now and in the past, they induct any imperial force by the authority of the Emperor. This authority is a direct result of the Heresy (as I'm sure you know). As far as Chapters agreeing t play nice, they can be deemed heretics as well! hehe.

The Terra consul has ALL the clout. Heck the SM chapters are just tax collectors! I'm just kidding! don't shoot me...

They can be deemed heretics, but who are you going to believe?

The living embodiment of the Emperor's Wrath(the Adeptus Astartes)

or some wacky mortal who makes a living dealing with heretics?

But eh. I sincerely doubt we'll see allies. Why the feth would they bring that crap back? It's the biggest problem, as it stands, with how the Inquisition codexes play now.

By themselves? They're not so great.
Use the Codex with the current ones and fwabam. People complain about OP.

True, it would be nice if they tailored the codex to really stand alone. I'd love to break my knights out again. I'm sure the codex will be solid, allies or not. At least I hope so.

At this point I don't care what they bring out for GK. Just bring something! I'm positive anything they bring will be better than what we have.

Not sure allies ever given balance in GW products - I used to play Epic against a guy with combined IG and Eldar. He was impossible to beat with a conventional side as he combined the best heavy artillery with elite CC troops. Cherry picking the best units of 2 forces stops the need to chose less capable troops and thus balance a force.

You couldn't cherry pick. You had strict limitations on what you could and could not take.

The problem was the specific wargear related to the Inquisitors that people took (Sages, Psychic Hoods, etc.) which, as I've said, won't matter come Codex: GK's as Inquisitors will be generic or not there at all.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to general discussion, as it doesn't contain any news or rumours from the start, just wild guesses and speculation not founded on something substantial?

Kroothawk wrote:Shouldn't this thread be moved to general discussion, as it doesn't contain any news or rumours from the start, just wild guesses and speculation not founded on something substantial?

At this point it should be a reflex for the mods to move any DH/WH/Inq thread in News & Rumors to General Discussion

But back on topic for a second. For those who are closely following the rumors, they are pointing to Codex: Grey Knights and not Codex: Daemonhunters. One source claims that this will be a pure GK book (and so far his various claims are seemingly true), the others never once mentioned anything about the Inquisition troops/only referred to the army as 'Grey Knights' and the rumors of new plastic Stormtroopers (and for the foreseeable future) for this release have been killed.

I'd say that things are not looking good for players who used a mixed/non-GK Daemonhunters army. For pure GK players though this is heaven

Anyway, if this thread needs content, then here's some tidbits courtesy of the reliable DPA.

Daemon Prince Adramalech wrote:My visions have been painful to endure of late, mainly due to the nature of their content, damned shiny warriors of that shrivled up husk :mad:

Daemon Prince Adramalech wrote:More a minor irritant than anything else but they have a habit of blocking my warpsight with there gods damned shinyness

Daemon Prince Adramalech wrote:The denzins of Comorragh will have to stay in the shadows for just a little while longer i'm afraid ::cool:[/QUOTE

EDIT: Those bits and pieces from DPA are pretty interesting; I'm only concerned that with all his focusing on the Grey Knights that he's only forgetting to mention stuff like the Stormtroopers, Inquisitors, and Imperial Assassins.

temprus wrote:To make up for the loss of ally rules, GW will make the GK as powerful as the fluff says they are and a full army @ 2500 points will consist of no more than 11 Gks plus vehicle support.

In other words, a retro return to Rogue Trader?

Ah, yes. The days of one captian on the board and the rest of your points spent in an orbital bombardmnet big enough to cover the entire opposing half of the board and allow no saves.


Sucked when your opponent got the first move and sniped your captian, but made for quick games!

bhsman wrote:EDIT: Those bits and pieces from DPA are pretty interesting; I'm only concerned that with all his focusing on the Grey Knights that he's only forgetting to mention stuff like the Stormtroopers, Inquisitors, and Imperial Assassins.

To be honest, no one is mentioning the Inquisition. Not him, not Harry and not Bindi Baji. None of them have even referred to the new book as Codex: Daemonhunters, only as Grey Knights. If you're a big fan of the Inquisition unit it's looking more and more like they're either not part of the new codex, or so secondary that no one's bothering leaking rumors about them. Well, no point in getting exited either way until GW makes the announcement.

There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away. Thus, allies rules changing in 3-4 months would be correct. Codex: DH and Codex: WH are said to be on their way out and not being redone. Mostly because rumors are pointing to Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle.

After Both of those are done there are rumors that are saying Codex Inquisition or an Inquisition supplement with rules for inquisitor allies or using inquisitors but I'm not so certain something like that will happen. That far off we get into some serious speculation rather than actual rumors. More certain than Codex Inquisition is Chaos Legions and new armies since there has been more concrete evidence from designer of something along those lines being discussed in the far future after all current armies are redone.

AS WE SEE IT NOW:
Codex: Grey Knights
- Allies rules changed/removed
- Stormraven included/possible model release
- More Grey Knights/less to no inquisition
- More Special Characters
- Plastic GKTs
- Plastic PAGKs

Those are the strongest rumors I've seen/heard/researched.

Vhalyar wrote:

bhsman wrote:EDIT: Those bits and pieces from DPA are pretty interesting; I'm only concerned that with all his focusing on the Grey Knights that he's only forgetting to mention stuff like the Stormtroopers, Inquisitors, and Imperial Assassins.

To be honest, no one is mentioning the Inquisition. Not him, not Harry and not Bindi Baji. None of them have even referred to the new book as Codex: Daemonhunters, only as Grey Knights. If you're a big fan of the Inquisition unit it's looking more and more like they're either not part of the new codex, or so secondary that no one's bothering leaking rumors about them. Well, no point in getting exited either way until GW makes the announcement.

I think that's mostly because most of the people that get sneak peaks of upcoming releases only get to see the models, not the rules. Unless there is a new Inquisitor model coming up, you probably won't find out how big the part (if any) of the Inquisition is in the new Daemonhunter/Grey Knight codex untill actual codex contents are starting to leak.

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away. Thus, allies rules changing in 3-4 months would be correct. Codex: DH and Codex: WH are said to be on their way out and not being redone. Mostly because rumors are pointing to Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle.

After Both of those are done there are rumors that are saying Codex Inquisition or an Inquisition supplement with rules for inquisitor allies or using inquisitors but I'm not so certain something like that will happen. That far off we get into some serious speculation rather than actual rumors. More certain than Codex Inquisition is Chaos Legions and new armies since there has been more concrete evidence from designer of something along those lines being discussed in the far future after all current armies are redone.

AS WE SEE IT NOW:
Codex: Grey Knights
- Allies rules changed/removed
- Stormraven included/possible model release
- More Grey Knights/less to no inquisition
- More Special Characters
- Plastic GKTs
- Plastic PAGKs

Those are the strongest rumors I've seen/heard/researched.

Pretty spot on considering what we know.

As a INQ player that doesn't use GK or sister I hope these rumors are just that. I like my Inq with retinue and all stormtroopers.

You are not alone Havoc. There seems to be more of us popping out of the woodwork with nothing but dread for this Codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You are not alone Havoc. There seems to be more of us popping out of the woodwork with nothing but dread for this Codex.

Well, the other possibility, is that given GW's recent habit of duplicating marine equipment by copy-and-paste between marine codices, you might still get a lot of the IG-based options reprinted in the new GK book.

And, of course, since we usually see models before rules, you wouldn't really hear as much about it, as the models are already out there and wouldn't be likely to be redone as they aren't the focus of the codex.

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

carldooley wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

You mean like Space Marines -> Imperial Guard -> Space Wolves?

I guess Imperial Guard are Xenos!

carldooley wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

Except GK/DH aren't really seen as a Space Marine codex even though they are space marines. This also comes into play with Dark Eldar since both are fighting for the same release spot and no one really knows which is coming first. It was said that Dark Eldar were pushed back and switched spots with Grey Knights for some reason. If this is true then it was originally SM - Xenos - SM(GK) but now it ends up being SM - SM(GK) - Xenos with possibility of another following xenos after in early 2011 (see necron rumors).

We are getting into the area where a lot of major armies have already been redone. We can't really rely on the SM-Xenos-SM theory. There's still a lot of Xenos armies and a lot of lesser armies as well.

Codices still in the pipeline:
Imperium:
Grey Knights (rumors)
Sisters of Battle (small rumors)
Black Templars (small passing rumor - no concrete rumors I've seen)
Dark Angels
Inquisition????

Xenos:
Tau
Necrons [Rumors]
Dark Eldar [Rumors]
Eldar
Orks [4th/5th edition codex hybrid done]

Chaos:
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Deamons
Chaos Legions????

From this list it becomes tough to do SM-Xenos-SM-Xenos. I tried to include all the different books rumored to come out and marked the ones with steady rumors currently coming out right now.

And how many years is it supposed to take for that list of thirteen Codex books to run the full cycle? I wonder if it is really useful to look at a list that long when it clearly won't be finished before we're already into a 6th Edition 40K Rule Book. History since 3rd Edition suggests strongly that some army books will take longer than a single rules cycle to be revised.

Do the GK really need their own codex? They're my favorite force of the Inquisition, so it sounds cool, but the current Codex has like, 6 units for them, and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

It sounds like its going to be GK, SOB, and the other Inquisition stuff all in different codexes, and thats unneccesay.

Snikkyd wrote:...and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

carldooley wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

Rogueeyes and Redemption already hammered the point in, but I'll just add that we've also had back to back Xenos releases in the past. Don't forget that half the armies are Imperial and that the so called 'cycle' doesn't actually exist; it's simply GW attempting to balance out Xenos and not-Xenos releases.

Edit:

Snikkyd wrote:Do the GK really need their own codex? They're my favorite force of the Inquisition, so it sounds cool, but the current Codex has like, 6 units for them, and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

It sounds like its going to be GK, SOB, and the other Inquisition stuff all in different codexes, and thats unneccesay.

Why not? On the basic level, they are Astartes (Land Raiders, Chaplains, Apothecaries). But where they shine is in how different they are from other chapters: close ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus (unknown and forbidden technology), elite feel (don't settle for lesser things such as rhinos), 100% psykers, the list goes on. If BT/DA/SW/BA can get their own codices, I don't see anything strange with Grey Knights following suits. They only have six units because they got stuck in the Daemonhunters codex which severely hampered their variety. A shame, because like I previously said, there's a ton of ways to expand them. But that's about to be rectified

Really it's a toss up for the next release between Dark Eldar and Grey Knights. Both have been said to be at abotu the same process in production. Both have rumors coming out. Grey Knights have lost their codex on the GW website and the PAGKs box set of 5 is also gone. Some sisters are also gone.

Time's counting down and we should see an incoming article soon about which is next.

Why not? On the basic level, they are Astartes (Land Raiders, Chaplains, Apothecaries). But where they shine is in how different they are from other chapters: close ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus (unknown and forbidden technology), elite feel (don't settle for lesser things such as rhinos), 100% psykers, the list goes on. If BT/DA/SW/BA can get their own codices, I don't see anything strange with Grey Knights following suits. They only have six units because they got stuck in the Daemonhunters codex which severely hampered their variety. A shame, because like I previously said, there's a ton of ways to expand them. But that's about to be rectified

Oh I know, they're probably my favorite chapter except maybe SW, and I think they should have their own codex, but I just know it will be very different than what we know them as now.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:...and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

Well, to be honest...
There doesn't need to be huge hosts of Grey Knights roaming the galaxy smiting evil.

The Grey Knights are more like the friggin' Sword of the Emperor showing up precisely when and where they're needed to turn the tide against the mean things from the Warp and reestablish the Imperium's dominance over the Unknown.

Kanluwen wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:...and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

Well, to be honest...
There doesn't need to be huge hosts of Grey Knights roaming the galaxy smiting evil.

The Grey Knights are more like the friggin' Sword of the Emperor showing up precisely when and where they're needed to turn the tide against the mean things from the Warp and reestablish the Imperium's dominance over the Unknown.

Exactly. Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around. Grey Knights are definitely one of the most enjoyable pieces of fluff. Although shrouded in darkness and few knowing who they are the chapter fights to defend against the worst of the worst. The entire time they know that they will never be celebrated like many other chapters such as the Ultramarines are.

Does anyone know the date for the next Gamesday UK? Supposedly a big Dark Eldar reveal is being factored in there, and if there's still a ways to go it wouldn't surprise me if Grey Knights are first and GW wants to save Dark Eldar for a holiday release so people are encouraged to buy more.

H.B.M.C. wrote:GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

At least we can rely on you to use any topic as an opportunity to let everyone know that you think GW is run by comic book villains. You're ALL consistency.